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'''Forum board''': https://openinverter.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19
'''Forum board''': https://openinverter.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19
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!Property
!Value
!Source
|-
|Device
|Combined Motor, Gearbox and Rear Differential
|
|-
|OEM
|Mitsubishi
|
|-
|Type
|AC Motor 10 Pole 3 Phase synchronous perm magnet brushless
|https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html


'''OEM''': Mitsubishi
https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=325&start=30
|-
|Manufacturer
|Meidensha
|https://www.meidensha.com/products/case/prod_05/prod_05_01/prod_05_01_01/prod_05_01_01_01/1210605_4260.html
|-
|Suppliers
|Ebay, Second Life EV Batteries
|https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html
|-
|Max RPM
|9600RPM
|
|-
|Mechanical Mounting
|6x M10 Bolt front face flange (all in same plane)
3x M? Bolt Rear Flange (all in same plane) used for bush mount on Outlander
|Author experience
|-
|Shaft Type
|20.02mm 18 splines, ~60mm long
|https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html
|-
|Resolver
|SIN COS - P/N C69600/TS2239N484E102
Believed to be similar to Nissan Leaf resolver
|https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMNz2BVPSATZFJxgwIvy0RAeNAwn0TLJJL7NBwxbpH32LbWNkGhybiNrdkTsTOLxg?key=TmNWY04zNFQ4cXZzNWUzUEJfcTZUeGtHVkxyZEtB
|-
|Cooling
|Water/glycol cooling (Blue on Outlander)
|Author experience
|-
|Weight
|42kg
|https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html
|-
|Power To Weight Ratio
|70kW Motor: 1.66 kW/kg
|
|-
|Diff Ratio
|7.065:1
|http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.hk/uploads/file_1465376705.pdf
|}
'''Example Ebay Listing''':
[[File:Example Ebay Listing.png|thumb|alt=|none]]


'''Manufacturer''': Meidensha - https://www.meidensha.com/products/case/prod_05/prod_05_01/prod_05_01_01/prod_05_01_01_01/1210605_4260.html
'''Description'''


'''Suppliers''': Ebay, Second Life EV batteries
The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid) uses 3x AC motor/generators - 2 in the front gearbox (One is designated as a generator) and 1 in the rear. The rear motor appears to be the more powerful of the 3, and it is coupled to a rear differential unit which is mounted underneath the vehicle. The Rear differential has female driveshaft splines and a ratio of 7.065:1. The motor is driven by a dedicated rear inverter unit, and the combined system appears to have different power ratings in different model years. The whole unit could lend itself well to rear engined/rear wheel drive EV conversion applications - e.g. Toyota MR2, VW Beetle, rear engined Porsches, Lotus. The Motor can also be easily decoupled from the Gearbox/Differential unit and with an adaptor plate and coupling could be used on either Front wheel drive applications, or Front engined, rear wheel drive. There are already some examples of the drive being used with the OpenInverter, and also with the OEM motor inverter.


'''Type''': 10 pole Combined Motor, Gearbox and Rear Differential
'''Power Rating'''
 
'''Diff Ratio''': 7.065:1
 
'''Example Ebay Listing''':
[[File:Example Ebay Listing.png|thumb|alt=|left]]


'''Power Rating'''
It is possible that the motor is the same for all model years (all use the Y61 designation) and either inverter is different or increased power output is from software only. 2018 models have 13.6kWh battery rather than 12kWh.
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! Model Years !! Motor Power !! Motor Torque !! Part Number
! Model Years !! Motor Power !! Motor Torque !! Part Number
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| Example || Example || Example || Y61
| TBC - TBC || 50 kW || TBC || Y61
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| Example || Example || Example || Y61
| TBC - 2018 || 60 kW || 195Nm Peak || Y61
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| 2018 - || 70 kW || 195Nm Peak|| Y61
| 2018 - || 70 kW || 195Nm Peak|| Y61
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'''Connectors''':
'''Connectors''':


HV:
HV: 3x 3 phase lug connections with HV gland plate


Resolver/Temperature sensor: Hirose GT18WB-14DS-HU
Resolver/Temperature sensor: Hirose GT18WB-14DS-HU
Datasheet: https://www.hirose.com/product/document?clcode=&productname=&series=GT18W&documenttype=Catalog&lang=en&documentid=D49386_en


Resolver Connector Colours/Resistance:
Resolver Connector Colours/Resistance:
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S24 - 78,5R Yelow, Blue
S24 - 78,5R Yelow, Blue
'''Vehicle Wiring Diagrams:'''
http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_iii/online/Service_Manual_2013/2019_phev/index_M1.htm

Revision as of 00:59, 21 June 2020

Forum board: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19

Property Value Source
Device Combined Motor, Gearbox and Rear Differential
OEM Mitsubishi
Type AC Motor 10 Pole 3 Phase synchronous perm magnet brushless https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html

https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=325&start=30

Manufacturer Meidensha https://www.meidensha.com/products/case/prod_05/prod_05_01/prod_05_01_01/prod_05_01_01_01/1210605_4260.html
Suppliers Ebay, Second Life EV Batteries https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html
Max RPM 9600RPM
Mechanical Mounting 6x M10 Bolt front face flange (all in same plane)

3x M? Bolt Rear Flange (all in same plane) used for bush mount on Outlander

Author experience
Shaft Type 20.02mm 18 splines, ~60mm long https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html
Resolver SIN COS - P/N C69600/TS2239N484E102

Believed to be similar to Nissan Leaf resolver

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMNz2BVPSATZFJxgwIvy0RAeNAwn0TLJJL7NBwxbpH32LbWNkGhybiNrdkTsTOLxg?key=TmNWY04zNFQ4cXZzNWUzUEJfcTZUeGtHVkxyZEtB
Cooling Water/glycol cooling (Blue on Outlander) Author experience
Weight 42kg https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-9300rpm.html
Power To Weight Ratio 70kW Motor: 1.66 kW/kg
Diff Ratio 7.065:1 http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.hk/uploads/file_1465376705.pdf

Example Ebay Listing:

Description

The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid) uses 3x AC motor/generators - 2 in the front gearbox (One is designated as a generator) and 1 in the rear. The rear motor appears to be the more powerful of the 3, and it is coupled to a rear differential unit which is mounted underneath the vehicle. The Rear differential has female driveshaft splines and a ratio of 7.065:1. The motor is driven by a dedicated rear inverter unit, and the combined system appears to have different power ratings in different model years. The whole unit could lend itself well to rear engined/rear wheel drive EV conversion applications - e.g. Toyota MR2, VW Beetle, rear engined Porsches, Lotus. The Motor can also be easily decoupled from the Gearbox/Differential unit and with an adaptor plate and coupling could be used on either Front wheel drive applications, or Front engined, rear wheel drive. There are already some examples of the drive being used with the OpenInverter, and also with the OEM motor inverter.

Power Rating

It is possible that the motor is the same for all model years (all use the Y61 designation) and either inverter is different or increased power output is from software only. 2018 models have 13.6kWh battery rather than 12kWh.

Model Years Motor Power Motor Torque Part Number
TBC - TBC 50 kW TBC Y61
TBC - 2018 60 kW 195Nm Peak Y61
2018 - 70 kW 195Nm Peak Y61

Connectors:

HV: 3x 3 phase lug connections with HV gland plate

Resolver/Temperature sensor: Hirose GT18WB-14DS-HU

Datasheet: https://www.hirose.com/product/document?clcode=&productname=&series=GT18W&documenttype=Catalog&lang=en&documentid=D49386_en

Resolver Connector Colours/Resistance:

R12 - 35,5R Black, White

S13 - 86,4R Green, Red

S24 - 78,5R Yelow, Blue

Vehicle Wiring Diagrams:

http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_iii/online/Service_Manual_2013/2019_phev/index_M1.htm

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