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=== OEM Inverter OI modification === | |||
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=== Inverter Phase Connections === | === Inverter Phase Connections === |
Revision as of 06:28, 20 September 2024
Forum board: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19
Property | Value |
---|---|
Device | Inverter |
OEM | Mitsubishi |
Type | 3 phase Motor inverter/controller & HV DC Junction Box |
Part Number(s) | 9410A067, 9410A081, 9499D140, 9410A163 |
Mitsubishi Module Name | REMCU[1] |
Manufacturer | Meidensha[2] |
Suppliers | Ebay |
Voltage | 300V DC Nominal supply voltage
(336V Max according to max battery voltage) [3] |
Interfaces | 1x Resolver/Motor Temperature sensor interface
Hirose GT18WB-14DP-HU - 14 way proprietary connector[4][5] Black 1x 12V Power/CAN Bus Interface Hirose GT18WB-14P-HU - 14 way proprietary connector Grey 1x DC Bus Input - M10 Bolts with gland plate 1x 30A Fused DC Bus Junction Output - M10 Bolts with gland plate 1x 3 Phase motor output - M10 Bolts with gland plate |
Mechanical Mounting | 3x Lugs around lower face, M10 bolts multiple locations[6] |
Resolver | Presumably matched to resolver on Outlander Rear Motor
SIN COS - P/N C69600/TS2239N484E102 Believed to be similar to Nissan Leaf resolver[7] |
Cooling | Water/glycol cooling (Blue on Outlander) |
Power | Unknown if continuous duty is based on inverter or motor thermal capability
70kW Peak 25kW Continuous |
Weight | 9kg[6] |
Features | Integral 3-way DC fused Junction box (1 input, 2 fused outputs)
Water cooled 2x Coil temperature sensors |
Wiring Diagram | [8][9] |
3D Printable Parts | https://www.printables.com/@crasbe_360778/collections/563327 |
Vehicle Topology
Rear Motor Inverter (REMCU) is on EV-CAN with the following modules:
- PHEV-ECU (Also on CAN-C, gatewayed through ETACS-ECU to CAN-C-Mid)
- Front Power Drive Unit
- Onboard charger/DC-DC Converter
- A/C Compressor
- Electrical Parking Driver Unit
- Battery Management Unit
Can Bus Topology [10]
PHEV-ECU Handles the whole hybrid system management including drive mode, system torque distribution and battery management
Wiring Diagram
Wiring diagram to the right.
It would appear that there are 4 unused pins on the Vehicle Connector (D-211).
IGCT - ECU control power supply voltage
IGCT appears to be main ignition control relay - 12V
This is the supply voltage for the REMCU and should be supplied with battery voltage when turned on.
RSDN - REMCU shut-down signal
RSDN is a signal from the PHEV-ECU and is referred to as "REMCU shut-down signal" as part of the "Rear Motor Shutdown Circuit". It seems to be the equivalent of the MSDN signal from the PHEV-ECU to the Front Motor Controller. The RSDN signal could be used as a safety circuit. In normal operation, it should be pulled to low (1V or less).[11]
CAEH & CAEL - CAN Communication
Standard CAN bus, Baudrate 500KBaud??
[Note: The CAN is NOT terminated]
Diagnostic Codes [12]
P1048 - Rear motor shutdown circuit [13]
The PHEV-ECU stores diagnosis code No. P1048 when the rear motor shut down circuit fails.
Check the wiring harness between PHEV-ECU (RSDN terminal) connector and the rear EMCU (RSDN terminal) connector.
Communication Protocol
CAN Bus with fallback to LIN and K-Line according to service manual
CAN reporting from inverter;
0x289 8bytes at 100ms
B0+B1 = torque report = ((H*256+L)-10000)/10
B2+B3 = RPM report = ((H*256+L)-20000)
B4+B5 = HV report = ((H*256+L))
0x299 8bytes at 100ms
B0 = Peak motor temp B-40 [°C]
B1 = motor temp B-40 [°C]
B4 = motor temp B-40 [°C]
0x732 8bytes at 100ms
B0+B1 = motor current 1 report Ia= ((H*256+L)-1000)
B2+B3 = motor current 2 report Ib= ((H*256+L)-1000)
B4 = rotor angle report
Calculate motor current 3 report Ic
Ic = -Ia - Ib
In this equation, Ic is the current in the third phase, and Ia and Ib are the current values in the first and second phases, respectively. Assuming that the system is balanced.
Calculate the DC current
DC Current (Idc) = |Ia| + |Ib| + |Ic|
CAN commands required to run rear motor ;
Heartbeat
0x285 00,00,14,39,91,FE,0C,10 at 10ms for driving
0x285 00,00,B6,39,91,FE,0C,10 at 10ms for charging
Commands
0x371 30, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00
0x286 00, 00, 00, 3D, 00, 00, 21, 00
0x287 Torque Command 0x2710=0Nm=10000 decimal, torque band = +/- 200nm 200/10000=0.02nm/bit
Byte[0]=TorqueHi; //front motor torque part 1
Byte[1]=TorqueLo; //front motor torque part 2
Byte[2]=TorqueHi; //rear motor torque part 1 0x2710=10000=0NM
Byte[3]=TorqueLo; //rear motor torque part 2
Byte[4]=TorqueHi; //generator torque part 1
Byte[5]=TorqueLo; //generator torque part 2
Byte[6]=function; //0x00,0x02=no inverter response to torque
//0x03=front motor responds (possibly rear also)
//0x04=generator only responds to torque
//0x05=generator and front motor respond to torque.
Byte[7]=0x00;
Authentication
The REMCU does not appear to require authentication with other modules, meaning it is a good candidate for stand-alone use from this point of view.
However, If one wished to take the whole Hybrid system including the PHEV-ECU for an EV conversion, this would be more challenging as the PHEV-ECU appears to require authentication with the OSS-ECU (One Touch Start ECU) and the KOS-ECU (Keyless entry)
Inverter Resolver & Can Connector
The original Connectors:
1x Resolver/Motor Temperature sensor interface [Hirose GT18WB-14DP-HU - 14 way proprietary connector[4][5]] - Black
1x 12V Power/CAN Bus Interface [Hirose GT18WB-14P-HU - 14 way proprietary connector] - Grey
These connectors are unobtainable however Tom DeBree has created a 3d printable connector that utilises TE Pins and Dupont style connector:
https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682&start=75
It must be noted Chinese Dupont connectors are not good for much more than testing as they are not a good Fit.
OEM Inverter OI modification
Inverter Phase Connections
Based on information within the Service diagrams [14] the following HV phase connections have been identified on the inverter.
Inverter Phase Connections |
References
- ↑ LINK DEAD: http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_iii/online/Service_Manual_2013/img/90/HKAF0E02CC00ENG.pdf
- ↑ https://www.meidensha.com/products/case/prod_05/prod_05_01/prod_05_01_01/prod_05_01_01_01/1210605_4260.html (Backup: Web Archive )
- ↑ Based on Mitsubishi Outlander Pack voltage and data from here for maximum voltage: https://nfpa.org/-/media/Files/Training/AFV/Emergency-Response-Guides/Mitsubishi/Mitsubishi-Outlander-PHEV-2018--ERG.ashx (Backup: Web Archive)
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10214#p10214
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 https://www.hirose.com/product/document?clcode=&productname=&series=GT18W&documenttype=Catalog&lang=en&documentid=D49386_en (Backup: Web Archive)
- ↑ 6.0 6.1 Author Experience.
- ↑ https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMNz2BVPSATZFJxgwIvy0RAeNAwn0TLJJL7NBwxbpH32LbWNkGhybiNrdkTsTOLxg?key=TmNWY04zNFQ4cXZzNWUzUEJfcTZUeGtHVkxyZEtB (Backup: Web Archive)
- ↑ LINK DEAD: http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_iii/online/Service_Manual_2013/img/90/HKAF0E02CC00ENG.pdf
- ↑ LINK DEAD: Navigate From: http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_iii/online/Service_Manual_2013/2019_phev/index_M1.htm Click 90-CIRCUIT DIAGRAMS and then ELECTRIC MOTOR UNIT CONTROL SYSTEM
- ↑ http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_iii/online/Service_Manual_2013/img/54/ACC07461AB00ENG.pdf (Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20221016154801/http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_iii/online/Service_Manual_2013/img/54/ACC07461AB00ENG.pdf)
- ↑ Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=27785#p27785
- ↑ http://mmc-autoelectric.org.ua/manuals/eur/outlander/2014/54/html/M154930060010800ENG.HTM (Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20160821050659/http://mmc-autoelectric.org.ua/manuals/eur/outlander/2014/54/html/M154930060010800ENG.HTM)
- ↑ http://mmc-autoelectric.org.ua/manuals/eur/outlander/2014/54/html/M154923250001700ENG.HTM (Backup: Web Archive)
- ↑ http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/outlander_phev/online/Service_Manual_2014/img/90/HKAC0E04CC00ENG.pdf