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Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:09 pm
by RobCote
Is there a cross-reference for spot value definitions?

I see some things change, but a lot of zeros where I think there should be values? I'm guessing idc and udc would be key parameters to look it (DC current and DC voltage?), but both are zero. Proximity is "Off", but I have the proximity and pilot wires connected from the charge port to the control board. I realize I'm making assumptions here about what things mean what.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:23 pm
by tom91
I cannot see what you see. Show your parameters and spot values via screenshots.

You say you wired proximity and pilot, did you also wire the ground to the charger and the charger to the 12V ground?

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:11 pm
by RobCote
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Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:12 pm
by tom91
Parameters?

None of the modules are reporting anything, are the leds on?

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:15 pm
by RobCote
Parameters are here:

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Module LEDs are on.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:17 pm
by tom91
tom91 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:41 pm Spot values.

You setup your controller properly and check the EVSE values populate as expected?
https://openinverter.org/wiki/Tesla_Mod ... N3_Charger

https://openinverter.org/wiki/Tesla_Mod ... 5_Software

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:28 pm
by RobCote
Does that mean my parameters are incorrect? I think I have it setup correctly, but I'm not certain.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:32 pm
by RobCote
Does state = run mean it's actively charging the battery?

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:45 pm
by tom91
RobCote wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:32 pm Does state = run mean it's actively charging the battery?
It means it is trying, there are spot values that show the battery voltage (udc) at the charger modules and values for the DC current (idc).

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:28 pm
by RobCote
tom91 wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:45 pm It means it is trying, there are spot values that show the battery voltage (udc) at the charger modules and values for the DC current (idc).
These are always zero. I measure 298VDC at the battery connection terminals on the charger (this is the pack voltage) when the contactors are closed. Just to be very clear, am I correct in assuming the values for udc and idc are what the charger is outputting as opposed to just a measurement of the battery?

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:45 pm
by tom91
Voltage is the measurement from the charger modules

Current is what the charger modules report outputting

All measurements are reports from the charge modules, each with their own spot values with a "c1" "c2" or "c3" in the beginning of the name

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:52 pm
by RobCote
That's what I thought, but thank you for verifying. So, something is preventing the charger from doing its thing still, but I'm not sure what.

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Do any of these parameters jump out at you as needing to change? I've tried iaclim at 6A to avoid overloading my outlet (15A 120VAC source). Chargerena = 5 because I have only two charger modules (48A US-spec charger). I've tried all available options for inputype. I think it should be type 2, but I'm a little unclear on the specifics of each option.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:07 pm
by tom91
input type should be set to your charge port. Do you have a Type 1 charge port used then set it to this.

This then will have it read the EVSE Control Pilot and Proximity and use this to try and start charging upon plugging in.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:12 pm
by RobCote
Oops I wasn't sure if it was a reference to the EVSE or the source outlet type. It refers to the charge PORT?? I don't even know, in that case. It's a model S charge port, just without the actuator for the cover thing.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:14 pm
by tom91
Set it to Type 1, check is the control pilot populates. If it is using CANsw which Tesla use it wont work. You need a "standard" J1772 EVSE and control pilot.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:11 pm
by RobCote
Oh, crap. I'm using a Tesla charger. I guess that's my issue. Thanks, I'll try a different one.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:00 pm
by RobCote
I tried a different charger - no change. What am I missing?

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Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:49 pm
by tom91
Does it start the EVSE and go into run mode when you connect the EVSE?

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:15 pm
by RobCote
Yes. EVSE shows it's supplying 0.2A and flashing green which indicates charging. Udc and idc remain at 0.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:33 pm
by RobCote
This is a stupid question but so am I. The battery pack was in a pretty decent accident which exploded all the airbags, but the pyrofuse seems to not be blown. It's not an open circuit - is there some other way to test it? I have heard that by design the pyrofuse is supposed to blow when the airbags do.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:54 pm
by tom91
You need to apply the DC HV at almost same time as EVSE activate, there is an output for this. OUT1 - HV enable

The modules should get activated and report some CAN before stopping. Do you see the modules start and the LEDs light up?

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:59 pm
by RobCote
The modules light up, yes.

Is out1 12V?

It doesn't seem like timing of events makes any difference. How tight is the window?

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:37 pm
by RobCote
Is charger module temperature an interlock to charging? I'm not certain what this 2-wire component embedded in epoxy is:

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But my best guess is a temperature sensor? Anyway, didn't realize they were connected when I removed the modules, broke the leads. Not sure how to ID them to replace them, so kind of hoping they're not strictly necessary.

Is there a way to temporarily ignore temperature within the software if that's a potential roadblock, to see if that's the hangup? Then I can work on figuring out how to replace them if necessary.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:10 pm
by tom91
RobCote wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:59 pm Is out1 12V?

It doesn't seem like timing of events makes any difference. How tight is the window?
Timing is ciritical so best let the software take care of it.

The outputs are lowside, so pull to ground.

Re: Tesla Gen 3 charger board assembly as of mid-2024

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:50 pm
by RobCote
tom91 wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:10 pm Timing is ciritical so best let the software take care of it.
Can you expand this a bit? I'm not quite sure what you mean. You said that it's important to apply HV at nearly the same time as connecting EVSE, but now you say to just let the software handle it?