Gen1 Leaf and ZV spin up issues

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Re: Gen1 Leaf and ZV spin up issues

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Just to check.

Are you having the Zombie control the HV system? So it does the precharge and contactors along side the 12V ignition relay to the inverter?
J0hannes wrote: Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:53 am Looked these up for y'all
Nissan FSM lists these on a priority in which they should be checked
Thank you for this, helpful to know what they mean. I am no leaf expert by any means. We just know other have it working and that the Gen 1 Leaf inverter is particular about checken sequences of things and values.

This still feels alot like a wiring issue, or lack of having the zombie control it all.
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tom91 wrote: Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:38 am Just to check.
Are you having the Zombie control the HV system? So it does the precharge and contactors along side the 12V ignition relay to the inverter?
Zombie is controlling the Nissan pack, yes. When I'm using the BMW packs, it is not as involved. There is one dead channel on the ZV that isn't activating the "RL2" which i had attached to the negative contactor. I was having to flip that on after precharge as I showed on the video I sent to you and Damien. I can deal with that and put it on another channel later.

When I use the BMW packs, I have a giant 20 ohm resistor I precharge and manually switch over after a couple of seconds.

I removed the contactors and they're def shorted now (cracked one open to verify). I have some kilovacs on the way.
This still feels alot like a wiring issue, or lack of having the zombie control it all.
I really am starting to believe the ZV isn't jumping in or sending something that the PDM needs. Maybe its a revision thing or some firmware difference from Damien's setup. I don't know. This isn't that complex of a wiring scheme, and Ive checked it with you, Damien, a friend that builds electric yachts, two other EE's and an all-around smart person irl, and everything seems ok to them , too.

I just don't know how i can see the resolver generate sin/cos when i send in an external exciter signal and have it hooked up wrong, I mean I could have sin/cos mixed up, but they appear 90 degrees out of phase on my oscilloscope. Pretty safe to say Im picking the right pairs of wires if that is happening. If i monitor the temp sense, the resistance changes when I shoot a little warm air into the motor.

I can get the ZV to do all of the basic stuff like Run & shift in the UI. The 12v from the relay activates as it should and I see it go high when I press the start button. I also can see the clocks/oscillators on the PDM wake up, and I can see the PWM and signals going in and out of the resolver IC on the PDM.

I can see what looks like proper signals on the CAN bus lines all the way in to the PDM on my scope .

I'll get more info and test whatever anyone would like to see next week when i rebuild the Nissan pack. I just don't know what else to look for at this point. I can rewire it until the cows come home and it doesn't make a difference in operation. I've been very deliberate in my wiring, with labels and triple checks with a continuity meter. I've taken it all out and spread it on the floor and redone it at least 3 times now. I see expected signals, values and ranges in the places they're expected.

The number of things it can be are pretty limited based on these measurements. I know nobody here believes I've correctly wired it, but I haven't shared one photo or video where I've had anyone find a improper connection (including Damien or Tom), and those that have seen in in person have not, either.

The ZV did have broken off components when it arrived, so Im really thinking this is a problem now after all the basic redundant checking Ive done. The wemos clone that was included was dead (unsurprising). My ZV still has a dead relay switching channel, and about every 30 seconds I get the "STM-ESP error" message for 15-20 seconds and the UI is very unreliable with any computer or phone or tablet I've tried. Close up or far away, with different antenna orientations . Ive tried a real Wemos, and two other knockoff types, with the same results. I don't know how normal this is, but I don't see it on videos when others are working on theirs, it would be really hard to make a video with the laggy, error prone UI I have. It makes testing challenging as you can imagine, having to wait for a screen for some times, having it appear and then a big red banner, waiting for that to clear up, then trying quickly to get something changed or saved or logged before it hangs up again.

Ive tried reflashing the ZV with my STlink, Ive updated the ESP, ive looked at the power and signals for noise and spikes, I brought in my RF Explorer to look for traffic or noise issues....nada. Where my shop is is somewhat remote and there isnt a lot of wifi traffic there.

Im open to any more suggestions.
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Re: Gen1 Leaf and ZV spin up issues

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I have replied to your email requesting a shipping address for a replacement Zombieverter board which I will send out this week. This will end my involvement for the reasons previously stated.
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beeetown wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 12:35 am There is one dead channel on the ZV that isn't activating the "RL2" which i had attached to the negative contactor.
So the zombie is not corretly controlling contactors. This can cause problems on the Gen 1 inverter.

The zombie is sending all correct CAN frames, I have reviewed your log you sent. Really need a can log of it working in its current state.
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Re: Gen1 Leaf and ZV spin up issues

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A new Zombieverter was built up this morning to include header and wifi module. Flashed with 2.30A , bench tested on my prius gen3 setup. Then flashed with the Parameters for the E46 (with Gen1 leaf as the OP), taken to the car, fitted, started as normal and ran the motor. Removed , packaged and now awaiting a shipping address for dispatch. A video of this has been recorded just in case as has the serial number of the STM32.

I very much disagree with the approach of randomly swapping parts until something works but thats me. I hope this solves your problem.

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Re: Gen1 Leaf and ZV spin up issues

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Have you checked your 12V supply as one of the fault codes is related to that?

Figuring out the reason for P0A8D should be high on the priority list as it is mentioned in the Nissan FSM to have first priority in diagnosis before diagnosing several other codes.

Also it could help if you read and reset DTC's with LeafSpy anytime you do a session after changing something in the setup (wiring or parameters).
This way you can see if any of these is an intermittent issue as once detected, these remain on until the inverter is powered off or the DTC is cleared.
J0hannes wrote: Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:53 am Nissan FSM lists these on a priority in which they should be checked

1.
P0A8D 14VOLT POWER VOLTAGE
P0C79 DRIVE MOTOR A INVERTER VOLTAGE
P318E CAN ERROR
P3193 CAN ERROR
P3197 CAN ERROR
U1000 CAN COMM CIRCUIT
2.
P0A1B DRIVE MOTOR A CONTROL MODULE
3.
P324F DRIVE MOTOR A INVERTER IGBT
Fail safe behavior with active DTC's
DTC & Vehicle behavior

P0A8D
Stops drive control of traction motor, and requires system main relay OFF to VCM

P0C79
Stops drive control of traction motor, and requires system main relay OFF to VCM

P318E
It can stop the drive control of traction motor

P3193


P3197
Either of the following statuses is observed.
• Stops drive control of traction motor
• Limits the maximum torque of traction motor to 0%

U1000


P0A1B
Any of the following statuses is observed.
• No impact to vehicle behavior
• Stops drive control of traction motor
• Stops drive control of traction motor, and requires system main relay OFF to VCM
• Limits the maximum torque of traction motor to 10%

P324F
Stops drive control of traction motor, and requires system main relay OFF to VCM
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Jack Bauer wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:08 am A new Zombieverter was built up this morning to include header and wifi module. Flashed with 2.30A , bench tested on my prius gen3 setup. Then flashed with the Parameters for the E46 (with Gen1 leaf as the OP), taken to the car, fitted, started as normal and ran the motor. Removed , packaged and now awaiting a shipping address for dispatch. A video of this has been recorded just in case as has the serial number of the STM32.

I very much disagree with the approach of randomly swapping parts until something works but thats me. I hope this solves your problem.

Edit : If you need one to one support I can recommend : https://foxev.io/speak-1-to-1-with-an-ev-tech-expert/
Thank you.
I don't believe this is random selection after seeing and basically eliminating other things, its very much a possibility as the postal services had their way with it as well as the other issues im having. But, as I dont have any way I know of to troubleshoot the ZV itself, its the only way i can check it off I suppose. That's really what I was looking for, not a new one, but a means of testing it. A new one you have tested would solve this I suppose. Alternatively Id be happy to rework anything that is failed myself, as Im very versed in hot air rework. I'll report back when it arrives . If it doesn't fix the problem, Ill send it back on my own dime, and if it does fix it, Ill return the old one to be reworked or used as you see fit. I'm not looking to come up or steal from you, I'm just trying to make this work.
tom91 wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 8:55 am The zombie is sending all correct CAN frames, I have reviewed your log you sent. Really need a can log of it working in its current state.
That text file attached above is literally all I get. I ran through your requested procedure several times, and that's all that showed up. I may have accidentally put it in reverse twice because i dropped the switch, but other than that, its just as you asked. Pedal presses show in the UI, run/precharge, temperatures all appear on the UI as well (then the BMS is connected). I'm not sure they're showing up in the can logs though?

Now if the contactors cause issues in the gen1 leaf, then that's something that's obviously an issue, as I have to do it manually right now for the one relay. Maybe its a timing issue? I will change that and see if it makes a difference.
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beeetown wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 8:03 pm That text file attached above is literally all I get.
Uhm so the inverter stops showing up on CAN? You sure you disconnected only the battery as requested. If you disconnect the battery make sure to turn it off in zombie too.
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tom91 wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 8:17 pm Uhm so the inverter stops showing up on CAN? You sure you disconnected only the battery as requested. If you disconnect the battery make sure to turn it off in zombie too.
The battery was disconnected as requested.
I didn't turn it off in the ZV which was not requested.
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You clearly disconnected more then just the battery as your log does not show CAN frames from the inverter.

So best to review your wiring.
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So what solved it in the end? I want to do a leaf conversion eventually so I was following this thread to learn from it.
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Please don't blank out posts like this, now no one can follow this thread for ideas if they get a similar issue.
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eee291 wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:46 pm So what solved it in the end? I want to do a leaf conversion eventually so I was following this thread to learn from it.
Not solved as far as I am aware.

We were working through basic checks to ensure we had:
1. A stable 12V and wiring
2. HV system coming on as it should

These two are key to any setup.
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tom91 wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:15 pm Not solved as far as I am aware
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Bigpie wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 4:39 pm Please don't blank out posts like this, now no one can follow this thread for ideas if they get a similar issue.
zippy500 wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:49 pm all of beeetown's posts have been deleted
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User beeetown wants to leave the forum for some reason. When I deleted the user all the original posts came back. Must be a bug in phpbb
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I think threads like these should be preserved. Lots of useful debugging info. Who wants to rehash this kind of Info over and over again?
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johu wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:08 pm User beeetown wants to leave the forum for some reason. When I deleted the user all the original posts came back. Must be a bug in phpbb
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A replacement zombieverter was sent to the OP. I guess we won't know the outcome :(
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Jack Bauer wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:21 am A replacement zombieverter was sent to the OP. I guess we won't know the outcome :(
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