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[WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:55 pm
by EdAtki
Hello everyone, this is my first time posting on the forum :)

An EV conversion is a project I've been wanting to tackle for years now but never managed to get out of the planning phase, however I recently stumbled across a deal too good to turn down. I acquired an 80kW Nissan Leaf motor, inverter and PDM for just £150. Purchasing those first components has really given me the motivation to get started on this for real.

I also have a lead on a 50kWh battery pack from a Peugeot E-208 for a very good price. I believe this is a 108S pack though so I could do with some advice on whether the leaf power train can handle the higher voltage or if I'd have to run fewer modules bringing me down to about 44kWh. I'd ideally like to achieve 100 miles range which I think is feasible, I'm basing that on a 40kWh leaf and hoping that having a bit more battery but being a bit heavier and less efficient will balance out to be make it roughly equivalent. These battery modules each have a built in satellite BMS based on a MAX17823 and I'd build my own master BMS module based on the fine work that's already been done by folks on this forum.

The leaf PDM I may or may not end up using as its quite bulky and the charging is a very slow 3.3kW.

I'd go with a zombieverter to tie things together and be the main brains of the car.

The trickiest part of this whole process has been deciding the car to install it all in. I didn't get the reduction gearbox with my leaf stack so I will have to bolt the motor to the original gearbox of the car so I need something manual and preferably rear wheel drive as I wouldn't be confident the leaf motor would fit on a front wheel drive gearbox. I am currently leaning heavily towards a BMW E91, these are quite commonly being advertised for cheap with failed timing chains or seized engines.

I wouldn't be the first to convert a E91, I know its already been done by someone on this forum, so that's quite reassuring that it can be done and that a lot of the CAN bus trickery has already been figured out.

The E91 already has significant room under the boot floor but even better than that the spare wheel well is a separate bolted in panel that could be replaced, so plenty of room to fit batteries and no need to cut or drill holes in the chassis. Also the engine bay is pretty large and the leaf motor should take up relatively little space so plenty room for components and potentially more batteries up front too.

Later models already have electric power steering which saves me some work.

The 80kW power train might sound underpowered for a car of this size but it actually has similar torque figures to the original engines, so running it through the original manual gearbox I'm hoping for similar performance and if it does prove to not be enough I can always upgrade to the 110kW or 160kW inverters or install the open inverter logic board for ~130kW.

I'll be posting updates as the project progresses.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:11 am
by Bigpie
100 miles range is easily achievable. My E91 has a 36 kWh pack and I get around 120 miles.
The electric rack fits the older models. I love my E91, but be aware of high insurance costs. There's only Adrian flux that I could find to insure.and it's over a grand. No points, no accidents, 20 years no claims.

I'm in Rotherham if you want to poke around mine

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:57 am
by Alibro
EdAtki wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:55 pm Hello everyone, this is my first time posting on the forum :)

An EV conversion is a project I've been wanting to tackle for years now but never managed to get out of the planning phase, however I recently stumbled across a deal too good to turn down. I acquired an 80kW Nissan Leaf motor, inverter and PDM for just £150. Purchasing those first components has really given me the motivation to get started on this for real.

I also have a lead on a 50kWh battery pack from a Peugeot E-208 for a very good price. I believe this is a 108S pack though so I could do with some advice on whether the leaf power train can handle the higher voltage or if I'd have to run fewer modules bringing me down to about 44kWh. I'd ideally like to achieve 100 miles range which I think is feasible, I'm basing that on a 40kWh leaf and hoping that having a bit more battery but being a bit heavier and less efficient will balance out to be make it roughly equivalent. These battery modules each have a built in satellite BMS based on a MAX17823 and I'd build my own master BMS module based on the fine work that's already been done by folks on this forum.

The leaf PDM I may or may not end up using as its quite bulky and the charging is a very slow 3.3kW.

I'd go with a zombieverter to tie things together and be the main brains of the car.

The trickiest part of this whole process has been deciding the car to install it all in. I didn't get the reduction gearbox with my leaf stack so I will have to bolt the motor to the original gearbox of the car so I need something manual and preferably rear wheel drive as I wouldn't be confident the leaf motor would fit on a front wheel drive gearbox. I am currently leaning heavily towards a BMW E91, these are quite commonly being advertised for cheap with failed timing chains or seized engines.

I wouldn't be the first to convert a E91, I know its already been done by someone on this forum, so that's quite reassuring that it can be done and that a lot of the CAN bus trickery has already been figured out.

The E91 already has significant room under the boot floor but even better than that the spare wheel well is a separate bolted in panel that could be replaced, so plenty of room to fit batteries and no need to cut or drill holes in the chassis. Also the engine bay is pretty large and the leaf motor should take up relatively little space so plenty room for components and potentially more batteries up front too.

Later models already have electric power steering which saves me some work.

The 80kW power train might sound underpowered for a car of this size but it actually has similar torque figures to the original engines, so running it through the original manual gearbox I'm hoping for similar performance and if it does prove to not be enough I can always upgrade to the 110kW or 160kW inverters or install the open inverter logic board for ~130kW.

I'll be posting updates as the project progresses.
I used a Gen1 Leaf motor and Inverter in my Freelander build and it works great great but for a BMW I would go for a Lexus transmission. The motor and inverter takes up a ton of space under the bonnet which leaves a lot less room for batteries.
As for choosing the car make sure it's a car you like and want to drive. You'll spend a lot of time, money and effort on it so you want to be proud to show it off when it's done.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 10:41 am
by EdAtki
Bigpie wrote: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:11 am I love my E91, but be aware of high insurance costs. There's only Adrian flux that I could find to insure.and it's over a grand. No points, no accidents, 20 years no claims.
I think insurance on any conversion is going to be a pain unfortunately, I would love to hear what insurance has been like for others in the UK, is the E91 is particularly bad for some reason?

Alibro wrote: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:57 am I used a Gen1 Leaf motor and Inverter in my Freelander build and it works great great but for a BMW I would go for a Lexus transmission. The motor and inverter takes up a ton of space under the bonnet which leaves a lot less room for batteries.
I don't disagree that a lexus transmission arguably makes more sense but I picked up the leaf stack for cheap so that's the route I'm taking, besides I quite like the idea of retaining the manual gearbox.

Alibro wrote: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:57 am As for choosing the car make sure it's a car you like and want to drive. You'll spend a lot of time, money and effort on it so you want to be proud to show it off when it's done.
Its a car that has never really been on my radar, all BMWs sort of just blur together to me haha, but having gone to see one I am absolutely sold. It's comfortable, it's practical, it's good looking, it has a good aftermarket; it's a car I would love to own.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 1:04 pm
by Bigpie
BMW are more expensive to insure. My converted 2003 beetle was 400.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 4:59 pm
by Alibro
Bigpie wrote: Sun Jul 13, 2025 1:04 pm BMW are more expensive to insure. My converted 2003 beetle was 400.
Landrover are even worse. I'm paying over £700

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:16 pm
by EdAtki
I've run quotes on a few potential cars, albeit in unmodified form, and the E91 was very reasonable. I'll give adrian flux a call to see if they can quote me with the conversion. Thanks for the heads up

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 12:32 pm
by ianlighting
My uk insurance for my petrol VW T2, 1974 was £240, and it remained the same when I switched to electric earlier this year. I’m with Sterling, but it’s based on a low annual mileage and currently an under valued ‘agreed valuation’. I’m going to change the valuation when it’s up for renewal next month so will see what effect it has then.

You mentioned not having the Leaf reduction gearbox. I have one spare from my project if you think you might want it. Drop me a PM.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:11 pm
by EdAtki
In the meantime I've been trying to get an idea of the performance difference between the leaf motor and a GS450h transmission, trying to convince myself that I'm making the right decision.
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I would be amazed if these numbers turn out accurate given all the assumptions and guesswork that went into it but even so it gives me some confidence that the leaf motor will still have plenty of power. Based on this I'll definitely want to upgrade to a 160kW inverter or install the replacement logic board for ~140kW but I think I'll get the car running on the 80kW one first before I splash out.

My whole spreadsheet is here btw if anyone wants to critique it haha: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... TvPRqJKADw

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:25 pm
by EdAtki
I collected my battery pack over the weekend, and it went remarkably un-sketchy haha.

This is a 50kWh 108S pack found in a variety of Stellantis vehicles, mine is from a 2022 Vauxhall Corsa-e.

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All that lovely empty space in my garage is disappearing rather quickly though so I want to get the battery pack taken apart pronto, I made a start but the way it's glued together is proving to be quite a pain.

I've also made good progress on my master BMS for these modules, but that will get its own dedicated topic once it's a bit further along.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2025 8:45 pm
by manny
I am using the same battery but from a e208.

Made a master BMS node myself based on this thread.
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Maybe this helps you.

Goodluck with the build.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 1:55 pm
by Alibro
EdAtki wrote: Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:11 pm In the meantime I've been trying to get an idea of the performance difference between the leaf motor and a GS450h transmission, trying to convince myself that I'm making the right decision.

Screenshot From 2025-07-14 20-44-03.png

I would be amazed if these numbers turn out accurate given all the assumptions and guesswork that went into it but even so it gives me some confidence that the leaf motor will still have plenty of power. Based on this I'll definitely want to upgrade to a 160kW inverter or install the replacement logic board for ~140kW but I think I'll get the car running on the 80kW one first before I splash out.

My whole spreadsheet is here btw if anyone wants to critique it haha: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... TvPRqJKADw
The Gen1 Leaf Motor with the standard 80kW inverter feels pretty much the same as the old diesel engine in my Freelander so around 110hp. It's more torquey but about the same power.
If you upgrade to 160hp make sure your cables and connections can cope.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2025 11:45 am
by EdAtki
Does anyone have any advice for taking this pack apart? I've got all the bolts out but the glue just will not let go no matter how much I go at it with a heat gun and a crowbar

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2025 12:36 pm
by tom91
Hammer and chisel

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2025 1:55 pm
by Alibro
To open the VW packs I used a short knife to cut the glue and hammered in wooden wedges in as I went. The wedges put pressure on the glue helping force the shell apart and the knife blade was too short to hit the batteries or cables.
Just take your time and be careful not to go too deep.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 7:15 pm
by EdAtki
It's open!

I tried both the knife and chisel approaches but both made very slow progress, in the end what worked best was connecting the engine hoist to the bolt tabs on the top half and lifting so that the weight of the pack provided a constant force pulling the halves apart, then I just heated around where the glue is and the pack slowly peeled itself open with only some slight percussive encouragement.
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I've measured the voltage of all the modules I could easily get my multi-meter on and each reads 23.7V which works out to 3.95V per cell so all seems healthy so far.

Next up is to remove the modules. I intend to reuse the cooling plates and bus bars if possible so going to try to remove them still in their current groupings.

Re: [WIP] BMW E91 + Leaf Motor

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:35 pm
by Alibro
It looks remarkably like the VW pack, the bussbars are identical.
Good luck with this.