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Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:27 pm
by Bratitude
gen1 (em67) and gen 2 leaf motor (EM57) shaft coupler
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4149 chromoly steel


-designed to optionally mate with a 7208b angular contact bearing (removes any loads on the leaf motor shaft)


additional machining required

Adapter plate CAD :https://github.com/angusjo/leaf-splines ... ate.SLDPRT

When the bearing is utilized, mounting flywheels or drives shafts is possible.



260$ CAD + shipping



I hold no liability for any results occurred from the use of the coupler.


www.bratindustries.net

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:53 pm
by BMW2002
Id be interested in one, would have to be sent to UK.

Would you consider selling the CAD file only ?

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:06 pm
by slow67
Whats the plan on cutting the splines? EDM or broached?

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:23 pm
by Bratitude
slow67 wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:06 pm Whats the plan on cutting the splines? EDM or broached?
Broached currently, still looking at edm services.

Cnc service is the most streamlined/best cost from what I’ve seen

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:26 pm
by Bratitude
BMW2002 wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:53 pm Id be interested in one, would have to be sent to UK.

Would you consider selling the CAD file only ?

No problem there, some Cnc services I’ve looked at have a “drop shipping” like service. They would send u the part.

It’s open source, but this is about a group buy

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:31 pm
by slow67
Bratitude wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:23 pm
slow67 wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:06 pm Whats the plan on cutting the splines? EDM or broached?
Broached currently, still looking at edm services.

Cnc service is the most streamlined/best cost from what I’ve seen
Broached will likely be the cheapest in the long run (after the cost of the broach is overcome).

Im interested. I probably need a different bolt pattern but I can make it work. Maybe later I can make my own and have that shop broach it for me.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:46 am
by mleebert
I'm in.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:07 pm
by doobedoobedo
I'll be in if getting it to the UK isn't too expensive.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:43 pm
by Bratitude
slow67 wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:31 pm
Bratitude wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:23 pm
slow67 wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:06 pm Whats the plan on cutting the splines? EDM or broached?
Broached currently, still looking at edm services.

Cnc service is the most streamlined/best cost from what I’ve seen
Broached will likely be the cheapest in the long run (after the cost of the broach is overcome).

Im interested. I probably need a different bolt pattern but I can make it work. Maybe later I can make my own and have that shop broach it for me.

I’m thinking of leaving out the bolt pattern, so it’ll be blank. So what ever pattern anyone wants they can mill it after the fact.

Also making it compatible with a variety of 1 1/2 bearings so you can connect a flywheel or drive shaft.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:48 am
by slow67
Bratitude wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:43 pm
slow67 wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:31 pm
Bratitude wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:23 pm

Broached currently, still looking at edm services.

Cnc service is the most streamlined/best cost from what I’ve seen
Broached will likely be the cheapest in the long run (after the cost of the broach is overcome).

Im interested. I probably need a different bolt pattern but I can make it work. Maybe later I can make my own and have that shop broach it for me.

I’m thinking of leaving out the bolt pattern, so it’ll be blank. So what ever pattern anyone wants they can mill it after the fact.

Also making it compatible with a variety of 1 1/2 bearings so you can connect a flywheel or drive shaft.
That's probably ideal. Any common machine shop should be able to do any desired pattern, but EDM or broaches are few and far between. Im in for one for sure with no bolt pattern on it.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:37 am
by Mouse
How did you determine the profile of the splines?
I've got a Outlander rear motor here with a splined output and can't find anything that might fit the splined shaft.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:13 am
by zippy500
Hi

Any update on a group buy, I was looking the 3DHUBS site, even just buying two pieces the price drops considerably.

There is a mass of build materials to chose from, would just steel be strong enough for the spline.

does your part need to threaded on the fixing holes,

Can someone link the rotex hub this is designed for ?

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:01 pm
by purplespark
I'd be interested in one !
Can someone link the rotex hub this is designed for ?
Don't quote me , but I think it's a Rotex GS38.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:53 am
by Bratitude
zippy500 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:13 am Hi

Any update on a group buy, I was looking the 3DHUBS site, even just buying two pieces the price drops considerably.

There is a mass of build materials to chose from, would just steel be strong enough for the spline.

does your part need to threaded on the fixing holes,

Can someone link the rotex hub this is designed for ?
Yup. Almost done the design. Putting together a universal system, adapter plate, with a angler thruster bearing. Besides just direct coupling to a transmission, you could set up a fly wheel or drive shaft as well.

Working to keep costs low and increase use case.

I’ll have updates very soon and do a bulk order of the coupler.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:27 pm
by purplespark
Hi ,
Any news ?

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:06 am
by Bratitude
purplespark wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:27 pm Hi ,
Any news ?

Coupler and assembly design is now finished.
in a few days I’ll be sending out an order for 10 couplers, hopefully.
As I’m sure for many others here, life is a bit chaotic at the moment. So things are taking longer than usual.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:16 pm
by purplespark
Yes , of course , challenging times.
I shall wait patiently !

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:11 pm
by bobby_come_lately
Mouse wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:37 am How did you determine the profile of the splines?
I've got a Outlander rear motor here with a splined output and can't find anything that might fit the splined shaft.
Sorry to jump on to an old thread but did you find a solution to this? I think I have Meiden motor with the same 3/4in shaft as your Outlander motor. Been searching for something that fits and just starting to muck around in CAD to see what an adaptor might cost.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 11:35 pm
by jerrykco
Bratitude wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:06 am Coupler and assembly design is now finished.
in a few days I’ll be sending out an order for 10 couplers, hopefully.
As I’m sure for many others here, life is a bit chaotic at the moment. So things are taking longer than usual.
Hey, Bratitude,
Can you publish the finished design pictures?
I need to connect the leaf to a drive shaft.
I'm interested seeing if your design will work for me.
Thanks

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 11:17 am
by DarkwingDuck
Hi Bratitude

I am also running a Leaf motor and have gone the usual route trying out different clutch plates (Daihatsu, Volvo etc..) to no avail. I am interested in trying out your solution when it becomes available

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 4:46 pm
by celeron55
The ghetto Leaf coupler is a Blue Print ADC43101 clutch disc or similar. It fits a bunch of japanese and korean vehicles and is cheap.

It's a loose match and probably different spline profile, but I've been running it for almost 30 000 km in my minivan so far just fine. There is enough meat in the splines. I assume the quite soft motor shaft will adjust to the very hard clutch profile over time.

If anything, at least it's taking a whole lot of time for anyone to be able to tell me "I told you so". 8)

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 3:01 am
by Bratitude
jerrykco wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 11:35 pm
Bratitude wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:06 am Coupler and assembly design is now finished.
in a few days I’ll be sending out an order for 10 couplers, hopefully.
As I’m sure for many others here, life is a bit chaotic at the moment. So things are taking longer than usual.
Hey, Bratitude,
Can you publish the finished design pictures?
I need to connect the leaf to a drive shaft.
I'm interested seeing if your design will work for me.
Thanks
Currently away, but couplers are on order.

Ill try to dig out the specs. Spent a good amount of time setting the coupler up to be fairly universal for most people’s needs

What I currently access to.
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was ether a 3in or 2.75 di plate with centring marks that match the rotex gs38 bolt pattern.

couple will nest in an angler bearing, with renting clip. For those wishing to run a clutch or drive shaft.

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:11 am
by arber333
celeron55 wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 4:46 pm The ghetto Leaf coupler is a Blue Print ADC43101 clutch disc or similar. It fits a bunch of japanese and korean vehicles and is cheap.

If anything, at least it's taking a whole lot of time for anyone to be able to tell me "I told you so". 8)
I smashed two blueprint Mazda center pieces couple of years back. It is not very hard too.
If I may suggest you put two center pieces in line and weld them in your coupler. That way it will definitely hold.

Torque is transfered along the shaft length...

Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:38 am
by Kevin Sharpe
celeron55 wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 4:46 pm The ghetto Leaf coupler is a Blue Print ADC43101 clutch disc or similar. It fits a bunch of japanese and korean vehicles and is cheap.
Damien is using a Fiat Van clutch disc (watch from 2:35) :)


Re: Leaf spline coupler

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 1:02 pm
by jerrykco
Kevin Sharpe wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 8:38 am
celeron55 wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 4:46 pm The ghetto Leaf coupler is a Blue Print ADC43101 clutch disc or similar. It fits a bunch of japanese and korean vehicles and is cheap.
Damien is using a Fiat Van clutch disc (watch from 2:35) :)
Is this the clutch plate?
Clutch Plate Fiat Ducato 2500 Turbo Diesel MK1 85-93 Clutch Disk?