Re: Toyota Prius Gen 2 Inverter Controller
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:40 am
Yea my contactors say they have left israel 4 weeks ago but no further update.
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Correct.RetroZero wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 pm To control the Gen 2 inverter, there is either the non populated Damien board (at present) , and order parts according to BOM, or Rev 3 Inverter kit from Johannes (populated), with wifi included? Starting to get a little overwhelming with everything to anticipate and order, but so exciting too.
Neither board alone will result in a finalised inverter you can install in a vehicle. The Gen 2 IPM current sensors are bipolar output, so with both boards, you need an interface circuit. With the Blue Pill board you're limited to motors with a quadrature encoder.RetroZero wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 pm Sorry if this is a stupid question....( Been trying to find the info this afternoon),
To control the Gen 2 inverter, there is either the non populated Damien board (at present) , and order parts according to BOM, or Rev 3 Inverter kit from Johannes (populated), with wifi included? Starting to get a little overwhelming with everything to anticipate and order, but so exciting too.
Are those sensors mondatory for board to control inverter? Or they needed just for operator to see what currents are go thrue inverter? For that particular case you could use some third party hardware like PowerWatcher or something like that.SciroccoEV wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:18 pm The Gen 2 IPM current sensors are bipolar output, so with both boards, you need an interface circuit.
Well.... What you need to sense current is conversion into 0 to 5V with center at 2V5 and then reduce this to 3V3 signal.SciroccoEV wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:18 pm Neither board alone will result in a finalised inverter you can install in a vehicle. The Gen 2 IPM current sensors are bipolar output, so with both boards, you need an interface circuit. With the Blue Pill board you're limited to motors with a quadrature encoder.
Board needs to see 1.6V on current inputs to calibrate 0A. If it doesnt see that it will go into current reference error.konstantin8818 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:29 pm Are those sensors mondatory for board to control inverter? Or they needed just for operator to see what currents are go thrue inverter? For that particular case you could use some third party hardware like PowerWatcher or something like that.
Well then you provide 1.6V to both of them... At least for testing with ACIM motor it should run in manual mode.konstantin8818 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:04 pm Well, that's me, who don't like to read carefully
Really, there are two current sensor inputs on the v3 board.
If you're running the "sine" software i.e. induction motor you can indeed do away with the current sensors. They'll only serve informational purpose and overload protection is done by Toyotas hardware.konstantin8818 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:29 pmAre those sensors mondatory for board to control inverter? Or they needed just for operator to see what currents are go thrue inverter? For that particular case you could use some third party hardware like PowerWatcher or something like that.SciroccoEV wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:18 pm The Gen 2 IPM current sensors are bipolar output, so with both boards, you need an interface circuit.
It seems it always centers at 2.5V? So better 5V and divide down.konstantin8818 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:27 pm I've got some SS49E sensors. If I feed them with 3.3V will I get need signal without any dividers?
I am not sure. From datasheet it looks like they are centered at 2.5V. I think you will still need a divider. What kind of line resistor do you have on your board? You can solder one pulldown resistor next to it 2x the size. E.g. if line is 3K3 than use 6K8 or if line is 10K use 20K resistor etc.konstantin8818 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:27 pm I've got some SS49E sensors. If I feed them with 3.3V will I get need signal without any dividers?
A non-inverting summing amplifier with a gain of less than unity will do the job in one go.
I see now yes... but what does Gen2 use for sensors? Are thay also split voltage with 0V center?
Once again; Bipolar, ie voltage output is both positive and negative, 25mv per amp.
Yep, the plan is to use Damien's board with my induction motor and your board with Lexus MGR.
And the gen2 current sensors are 15Vpp so you would need to change R2 and R4 in the daycounter schematic to 22k and it would be preferable to use a 1.65V reference. Cheapest option is to use a 3.3V reference followed by a precision 50:50 resistor divider as 1.65V references seem ridiculously expensive.SciroccoEV wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:09 pmOnce again; Bipolar, ie voltage output is both positive and negative, 25mv per amp.
And just to try and keep the length of this thread down; https://daycounter.com/Circuits/OpAmp-L ... fter.phtml
Thanks for the info, awesome job getting it connected. Must be a good feeling seeing those LED 's flashingkonstantin8818 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:12 pmCorrect.RetroZero wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 pm To control the Gen 2 inverter, there is either the non populated Damien board (at present) , and order parts according to BOM, or Rev 3 Inverter kit from Johannes (populated), with wifi included? Starting to get a little overwhelming with everything to anticipate and order, but so exciting too.
I want to point out that populated board was sent to me as act of kindness from Damien. (or just to end my whining) As in my black hole country you must to go inside out to find some of the components, and still will not find some of them. I was looking forward to spent few evenings with soldering iron but kind man spared me from that misery
BTW I've started the board from power supply and connected to it via wifi. It survived our postal service and works fine.
Well the plan is Prius Gen 2 and 3 transaxles with the present board set up. I will go wiki hunting instead of asking the obvious question... (give a man a fish ) If I have to order and solder, so be it. With total lock down, might be a while before I can get anythingSciroccoEV wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:18 pmNeither board alone will result in a finalised inverter you can install in a vehicle. The Gen 2 IPM current sensors are bipolar output, so with both boards, you need an interface circuit. With the Blue Pill board you're limited to motors with a quadrature encoder.RetroZero wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 pm Sorry if this is a stupid question....( Been trying to find the info this afternoon),
To control the Gen 2 inverter, there is either the non populated Damien board (at present) , and order parts according to BOM, or Rev 3 Inverter kit from Johannes (populated), with wifi included? Starting to get a little overwhelming with everything to anticipate and order, but so exciting too.
The ADC uses the 3V3 supply rail as its reference and the current inputs are assumed (in the code) to be zero at pwm startup.kiwifiat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:54 am And the gen2 current sensors are 15Vpp so you would need to change R2 and R4 in the daycounter schematic to 22k and it would be preferable to use a 1.65V reference. Cheapest option is to use a 3.3V reference followed by a precision 50:50 resistor divider as 1.65V references seem ridiculously expensive.