That's good
The warnings are because QT doesn't like the old style casts used in the firmware, sure there is a way of suppressing them but I've not looked.
That's good
Wow thanks for that, I would have expected mg1 to be happier at higher speeds as generally Toyota rates mg1 to higher rpm.Pete9008 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:41 pm I think the converted numbers are:
MG2: Lq = 2mH, Ld = 1mH
MG1: Lq = 1.1mH, Ld = 0.6mH
Without spinning the rotor those could be plus or minus a bit but should be fairly close. The Lq measurement will be a bit low as the motor wouldn't have been correctly aligned for them so maybe 2.2mH and 1.2mH respectively??
Not low inductance but then nowhere near as high as some of the numbers we have been working with
Threw these numbers into the simulator and with 300V it gave a peak power of 100kW dropping to a steady 30kW at higher speeds for each of MG1 and MG2 (MG1 stronger at low speeds, MG2 happier spinning up to higher speeds). No idea how that compares to reality? (Edit - Hmm, those power numbers don't seem quite right, need to have another look at that)
In case the conversion equations are useful to anyone else:
Phase measurement to winding inductances La=(M1+M2-M3)/2, Lb=(M2+M3-M1)/2, Lc=(M1+M3-M2)/2
Winding inductance to Ld/Lq measurements L1 = La + ((Lb*Lc)/(Lb+Lc)), L2 = Lb + ((La*Lc)/(La+Lc)), L3 = Lc + ((La*Lb)/(La+Lb))
Assuming the motor has naturally come to rest aligned on one phase one measurement will be low and will be Ld the other two should be larger, roughly equal and a bit smaller than Lq (for example MG1 above came to 0.6mH, 1.1mH and 1.0mH).
Oops, got that the wrong way round when typing, MG1 was better at high speed! Fairly sure the peak power I mentioned is wrong too.
Also I only hit close to 100kw peak with both and a fully charged pack so 328vSpecification MG1
Rated voltage: 650 V
Max Output HP (kW) @ rpm: 148 HP (109 kW) @ 13000 rpm
Max Torque Nm (lbf) @ rpm: 80 Nm (59 lbf) @ 0 - 13000 rpm
Specification MG2
Rated voltage: 650 V
Max Output HP (kW) @ rpm: 167 HP (123 kW) @ 4500 rpm
Max Torque Nm @ rpm: 333 Nm (246 lbf) @ 0 - 1500 rpm
Thinking about it we are still guessing the flux linkage and that would make a difference for the calculated torque and power. Could do with an easy way of measuring it (at the moment a good quality data log is the only way that I can think of). For the above I just used the same value for both which is almost certainly wrong for MG1, will try a few different values to see how it affects things.
Not quite so easy if the motor is already in the car though
I would guess the later as I've not seen many motor equations that use the former. Need to find a good book/reference that actually has the derivations, they would answer a lot of questions!
mjc506 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:34 am Apparently,
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where P is number of poles (or pole pairs?!) and Kb is the back emf constant (Volt seconds per radian - peak voltage divided by speed in rad/sec)
Kb is easy enough to measure, as is pole count? But that's assuming that the above equation is correct (I can't find the derivation)
Thanks, will have a lookSciroccoEV wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:08 pm There are many plots on this website;
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curv ... #gsc.tab=0