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Hyundai/Kia Batteries

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Seeing more and more of the Hyundai/Kia battery modules on eBay thanks to Ioniqs, Souls and Niros now getting broken. Thought it might make sense to start a thread on them - and maybe a section on the hardware from them?

I have found this resource so far that is quite helpful about the Niro: http://www.kniro.net/description_and_operation-827.html

And @Bigpie found this on the Ioniq: https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyu ... _FINAL.pdf

Does anyone else have any knowledge of/experience with these - e.g. format, size, BMS integration etc?

What would be really useful would be to understand the visual and model number differences between the 1.5kwh unit from the hybrid and the 8.9kwh unit from the plug-in. Hard to get a sense of them from eBay photos.

Update: Think I've confirmed that part number 37501-G2100 is the 1.56Kwh pack. This makes the packs on eBay at £600+ pretty unattractive from a cost/kwh perspective.
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I looked into these some time ago.

The PHEV battery electrical specs are similar to the BMW ones.

The PHEV pack is split into two parts, one is located behind the rear seat and the other one underneath the seat.

When you go shopping, first you need to discern the PHEV and non-PHEV packs.

The PHEV pack underneath the rear seat looks similar (but not exactly) to the non-PHEV pack, which is also located underneath the rear seat, but is lower voltage and is wired in series with the rear pack.

Some look decently priced initially, until you notice that most sellers are selling only the under-seat pack or only the behind-seat pack.

The PHEV packs also are very rare compared to the non-PHEV ones.

The non-PHEV pack is obviously only useful for testing, just like a Prius pack. Even if it was cheap per kWh, it's still way too large and heavy per kWh.
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Hoping this will improve with future generations. But right now it does seem as if these are best ignored. Shame.
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If Niro/Kona EV batteries are available that would be a good option - 64KWh and 39.2KWh cars seem to be for sale, but since the car is only recently released packs aren't very available. Maybe there are more in the US (worse drivers here).
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Does anyone have any info on the modules (i.e dimensions, weight, BMS) from the Kona EV e-niro as they have started to crop up at under £100/kWh so could be a good option

Cant seem to find much about them online yet
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I have a 30kw soul pack, I can give dimensions and weight of the packs, if it helps anyone, I also have the BMS unit, be nice if it could be put to use. I could not find any info on the net about it. Last resort would be try and adapt the leaf BMS with it, Came with a nice Contactor/Precharge control box.
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this is data I found from various searching.

ImageKia Hundai Battery Pack Spec
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Some information regarding Kia BMS:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1179
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I asked EV-Breakers for some info on the pack and they came back with this

450kg pack
10 modules
4x ‘short modules’ 430 x 370 x 300mm - 27 cells
6x ‘long modules’ 480 x 370 x300mm - 30 cells

Seems a bit heavy for a 64kwh (net) pack but good value per kWh
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I see there are different battery packs, does anyone know the differences between them? I found these part numbers:
37510-G2000
37501-G5000
37501-G5100
37501-DD150
37501-CM020
37501-K4050
37501-CM020

These are all Hyundai Kona / Kia Niro batteries.
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I'm not sure I have looked at the right part numbers. I saw some photos of a battery assembly with both P/N 37510-G2000 and 37501-G5000.
bexander wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:07 am Some information regarding Kia BMS:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1179
You are using batteries from the Kia Niro PHEV, do you have some knowledge at what number I should be looking to gather more information about the batterypack? What pack are you using?
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Markos wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:57 am I'm not sure I have looked at the right part numbers. I saw some photos of an battery assembly with both P/N 37510-G2000 and 37501-G5000.
bexander wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:07 am Some information regarding Kia BMS:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1179
You are using batteries from the Kia Niro PHEV, do you have some knowledge at what number I should be looking to gather more information about the batterypack? What pack are you using?
No, sorry, I don't have any numbers. I only know my pack is from a Kia Niro PHEV.
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I have a PHEV Niro im working on at the minute ill share part numbers next weekend. Pack is split into two parts master BMS on top of rear pack and contactor parts on side of pack under seats. Packs both have same voltage so 96s overall and must be 48s in each pack. Main fuse is on rear pack along with safety disconnect.
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