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=== Gearbox ===
==Gearbox==
 
Inside the gearbox is pretty simple, there's a parking brake and some gears. The clutch requires some oil pressure before it can be electrically engaged, ideally we want to be able to do this at 0 rpm to be able the achieve maximum torque at launch.
 
[[File:Outlander Front Clutch.jpg|thumb|The internal clutch that couples the 'generator' input to the half shaft outputs.|alt=]]
[[File:20220616 153133.jpg|thumb|Outlander front gearbox.|alt=]]


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=== The 'generator' ===
==The 'generator'==
It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB  as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/70kw-ev-motor-with-14000rpm.html
It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB  as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/70kw-ev-motor-with-14000rpm.html
Interestingly they claim it as 70kw, where as the motor as 60kw, both weigh the same. This is the motor that bobby_come_lately has with the looks of it.
Weight: 29.5kg


[attachment=1]6-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png[/attachment]
Interestingly they claim it as 70kW, where as the motor as 60kW, both weigh the same.


Pin 11 GTH1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (+ve)
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Pin 12: GTH2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (+ve)
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Pin 13: TH0 - oil temperature thermistor (+ve)
Specifications
Pin 14: GTG1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (-ve)
|'''Weight'''
Pin 15: GTG2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (-ve)
| 29.5kg
Pin 16: TG0 - oil temperature thermistor (-ve)
|-
|'''Type'''
|Permanent Magnet Synchronous
|-
|'''Max RPM'''
|14k (According to SLEVB)
|-
|'''Power'''
|70Kw (According to SLEVB) but I suspect it's the same as the motor based on them weighing the same.
|-
|'''Manufacturer'''
|Meiden
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|'''Manufacturer Part'''
|
|-
|'''Suggested Firmware'''
|Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware
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|'''Resolver Pole Count'''
|8 (4 Pole Pairs) based on the assumption that it's the same as the motor below.
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|'''Resolver Part number'''
|C88691 / TS2239N484E102 (Tamagawa E102 series)
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|Looks to be a custom VR Type Resolver https://www.tamagawa-seiki.com/products/resolver-synchro/vr-type-resolver-singlsyn.html
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|'''Motor Pole Count'''
|8 (4 Pole pairs)
|-
|'''Temperature Sensors'''
|This has 2 temperature sensors on 2 of the phase coils and also an oil temperature sensor.
|-
|'''Ld'''
|0.1mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter)
|-
|'''Lq'''
|0.3mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter)
|-
|'''Flux Linkage'''
|(used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter)
|-
|'''Critical Current'''
|(used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter)
|}


[attachment=0]8-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png[/attachment]
==== Connector B-139 ====
[[File:6-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png|frameless|505x505px]]


Pin 1: R1 - the first connection for the exciter coil
*Pin 11 GTH1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (+ve)
Pin 2: S1 - the first connector for output coil 1
*Pin 12: GTH2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (+ve)
Pin 3: S2 - the first connector for output coil 2 (S2-1)
*Pin 13: TH0 - oil temperature thermistor (+ve)
Pin 4: R2 - the second connection for the exciter coil
*Pin 14: GTG1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (-ve)
Pin 5: S3 - the second connection for output coil 1 (S1-2)
*Pin 15: GTG2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (-ve)
Pin 6: S4 - the second connection for output coil 2 (S2-2)
*Pin 16: TG0 - oil temperature thermistor (-ve)
Pin 7: GGND - earth connection to the ECU


=== The motor ===
=== Connector B-140 ===
[[File:8-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png|frameless|505x505px]]
 
*Pin 1: R1 - the first connection for the exciter coil. If you have the original connector this has a black wire. It should be connected to the exciter - EXC - on your control board.
*Pin 2: S1 - the first connector for output coil 1. (Red on the original loom. Connect to ENCODER CHAN A on your control board)
*Pin 3: S2 - the first connector for output coil 2 (S2-1) (Yellow. Connect to ENCODER CHAN B)
*Pin 4: R2 - the second connection for the exciter coil (White. Connect to GROUND)
*Pin 5: S3 - the second connection for output coil 1 (S1-2) (Green. Connect to RESOLVER SIN)
*Pin 6: S4 - the second connection for output coil 2 (S2-2) (Blue. Connect to RESOLVER COS)
*Pin 7: GGND - earth connection to the ECU
*Pin 8: Not used.
 
Note: some after market plugs have the pin numberings reversed from the above. As I currently understand it, the numbering should be as per the diagram with pin 8 at the bottom right with the locking clip on the top when you are looking at the cable end of the plug.
 
==The motor==


It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-14000rpm-electric-project-emrax-replacement.html
It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-14000rpm-electric-project-emrax-replacement.html
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|Weight
Specifications
|'''Weight'''
|29.5kg
|29.5kg
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|Type
|'''Type'''
|Permanent Magnet Synchronous
|Permanent Magnet Synchronous
|-
|-
|Max RPM
|'''Max RPM'''
|14k (According to SLEVB)
|14k (According to SLEVB)
|-
|-
|Power
|'''Power'''
|60Kw (According to SLEVB)
|60Kw (According to SLEVB)
|-
|-
|Suggested Firmware
|'''Manufacturer'''
|Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware
|Meiden
|-
|-
|Resolver Pole Count
|'''Manufacturer Part'''
|10 (5 Pole Pairs) *assumed and seems to work with this setting in inverter params
|S61
|-
|-
|Resolver Part number
|'''Suggested Firmware'''
|Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware
|-
|'''Resolver Pole Count'''
|4 Pole Pairs based on the photo below, the shaft having 4 lobes.
|-
|'''Resolver Part number'''
|C88691 / TS2239N484E102 (Tamagawa E102 series)
|C88691 / TS2239N484E102 (Tamagawa E102 series)
|-
|-
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|Looks to be a custom VR Type Resolver https://www.tamagawa-seiki.com/products/resolver-synchro/vr-type-resolver-singlsyn.html
|Looks to be a custom VR Type Resolver https://www.tamagawa-seiki.com/products/resolver-synchro/vr-type-resolver-singlsyn.html
|-
|-
|Motor Pole Count
|
|10 (5 Pole Pairs) *assumed and seems to work with the setting in the inverter params
|Tamagawa will not release the datasheet for this unit. "Unfortunately, this is an exclusive model for our authorized customer.
We are not able to provide technical data directly to you."
|-
|'''Motor Pole Count'''
|8 (4 Pole pairs)
|-
|'''Temperature Sensor'''
|This only have the 2 phase coil sensors and is lacking the oil temperature sensor.
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=== Output Shafts ===
===Output Shafts===
The generator and motor have a 19mm output shaft with 17 splines. This is a very close fit for the Ford Fiesta clutch. Model number 8V21-7550-DE or G44BA.
The generator and motor have a 19mm output shaft with 17 splines. This is a very close fit for the Ford Fiesta clutch. Model number 8V21-7550-DE or G44BA. Another part number also fits  HD2392 from Fiesta 77-92, Escort III


User @bexander points to <nowiki>https://aftermarket.zf.com/go/en/sachs/catalogs/#/</nowiki> which shows that this fitting is common to a wide range of Ford and Mazda part numbers.
User @bexander points to <nowiki>https://aftermarket.zf.com/go/en/sachs/catalogs/#/</nowiki> which shows that this fitting is common to a wide range of Ford and Mazda part numbers.
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Y604-16-490, Y604-16-490A, Y604-16-490B, Y604-16-490C, Y604-16-490D, Y604-16-490E[[File:Fiesta clutch on Mitsubishi outlander front motor..jpg|left|thumb]]
Y604-16-490, Y604-16-490A, Y604-16-490B, Y604-16-490C, Y604-16-490D, Y604-16-490E[[File:Fiesta clutch on Mitsubishi outlander front motor..jpg|left|thumb]]
[[File:20201029 130555.jpg|none|thumb]]
==Build Logs using this motor==
[https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=766 BMW Z3 with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox]
[https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1130 VW Beetle with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox]
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Latest revision as of 17:20, 28 November 2022

Gearbox

Inside the gearbox is pretty simple, there's a parking brake and some gears. The clutch requires some oil pressure before it can be electrically engaged, ideally we want to be able to do this at 0 rpm to be able the achieve maximum torque at launch.

The internal clutch that couples the 'generator' input to the half shaft outputs.
Outlander front gearbox.
Specs and Reduction Ratios
Parameter
Weight TBC
Motor - Differential ratio 9.663
Generator - Engine ratio 2.736
Engine - Differential ratio 3.425
Torque Specifications
Item N·m
Drain plug 35 ± 4
Filler plug (the underside) 32 ± 2
Filler plug (the upper side) 35 ± 4
Break off bolt <Vehicles for England> 7.5 ± 1.5
Electrical parking actuator mounting bolts 28 ± 4
Valve body assembly mounting bolts 9.0 ± 2.0
Plug(Valve body) 7.0 ± 1.0
Connector mounting bolts 7.0 ± 1.0
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20200720 151132.jpg
20200720 151129.jpg

The 'generator'

It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/70kw-ev-motor-with-14000rpm.html

Interestingly they claim it as 70kW, where as the motor as 60kW, both weigh the same.

Specifications
Weight 29.5kg
Type Permanent Magnet Synchronous
Max RPM 14k (According to SLEVB)
Power 70Kw (According to SLEVB) but I suspect it's the same as the motor based on them weighing the same.
Manufacturer Meiden
Manufacturer Part
Suggested Firmware Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware
Resolver Pole Count 8 (4 Pole Pairs) based on the assumption that it's the same as the motor below.
Resolver Part number C88691 / TS2239N484E102 (Tamagawa E102 series)
Looks to be a custom VR Type Resolver https://www.tamagawa-seiki.com/products/resolver-synchro/vr-type-resolver-singlsyn.html
Motor Pole Count 8 (4 Pole pairs)
Temperature Sensors This has 2 temperature sensors on 2 of the phase coils and also an oil temperature sensor.
Ld 0.1mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter)
Lq 0.3mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter)
Flux Linkage (used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter)
Critical Current (used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter)

Connector B-139

6-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png

  • Pin 11 GTH1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (+ve)
  • Pin 12: GTH2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (+ve)
  • Pin 13: TH0 - oil temperature thermistor (+ve)
  • Pin 14: GTG1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (-ve)
  • Pin 15: GTG2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (-ve)
  • Pin 16: TG0 - oil temperature thermistor (-ve)

Connector B-140

8-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png

  • Pin 1: R1 - the first connection for the exciter coil. If you have the original connector this has a black wire. It should be connected to the exciter - EXC - on your control board.
  • Pin 2: S1 - the first connector for output coil 1. (Red on the original loom. Connect to ENCODER CHAN A on your control board)
  • Pin 3: S2 - the first connector for output coil 2 (S2-1) (Yellow. Connect to ENCODER CHAN B)
  • Pin 4: R2 - the second connection for the exciter coil (White. Connect to GROUND)
  • Pin 5: S3 - the second connection for output coil 1 (S1-2) (Green. Connect to RESOLVER SIN)
  • Pin 6: S4 - the second connection for output coil 2 (S2-2) (Blue. Connect to RESOLVER COS)
  • Pin 7: GGND - earth connection to the ECU
  • Pin 8: Not used.

Note: some after market plugs have the pin numberings reversed from the above. As I currently understand it, the numbering should be as per the diagram with pin 8 at the bottom right with the locking clip on the top when you are looking at the cable end of the plug.

The motor

It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-14000rpm-electric-project-emrax-replacement.html

Specifications
Weight 29.5kg
Type Permanent Magnet Synchronous
Max RPM 14k (According to SLEVB)
Power 60Kw (According to SLEVB)
Manufacturer Meiden
Manufacturer Part S61
Suggested Firmware Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware
Resolver Pole Count 4 Pole Pairs based on the photo below, the shaft having 4 lobes.
Resolver Part number C88691 / TS2239N484E102 (Tamagawa E102 series)
Looks to be a custom VR Type Resolver https://www.tamagawa-seiki.com/products/resolver-synchro/vr-type-resolver-singlsyn.html
Tamagawa will not release the datasheet for this unit. "Unfortunately, this is an exclusive model for our authorized customer.

We are not able to provide technical data directly to you."

Motor Pole Count 8 (4 Pole pairs)
Temperature Sensor This only have the 2 phase coil sensors and is lacking the oil temperature sensor.
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20200802 080902.jpg
20200802 080907.jpg

Output Shafts

The generator and motor have a 19mm output shaft with 17 splines. This is a very close fit for the Ford Fiesta clutch. Model number 8V21-7550-DE or G44BA. Another part number also fits HD2392 from Fiesta 77-92, Escort III

User @bexander points to https://aftermarket.zf.com/go/en/sachs/catalogs/#/ which shows that this fitting is common to a wide range of Ford and Mazda part numbers.

FORD

1518195, 1529952, 1576249, 1678827, 1708209, 1804545, 1805271, 1826509, 1852056, 2115219, 2245763, 8V21-7540-DA, 8V21-7540-DB, 8V21-7540-DC, 8V21-7540-DD, 8V21-7540-DE, 8V21-7540-DF, 8V21-7540-DG, 8V21-7540-FA, 8V21-7550-DE, 8V21-7563-DD, RM8V21-7540-DF, RM8V21-7540-DG, RM8V21-7540-FA

MAZDA

Y604-16-490, Y604-16-490A, Y604-16-490B, Y604-16-490C, Y604-16-490D, Y604-16-490E

Fiesta clutch on Mitsubishi outlander front motor..jpg
20201029 130555.jpg


Build Logs using this motor

BMW Z3 with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox

VW Beetle with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox