Mitsubishi Outlander AC Compressor - Revision history

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2024-12-20T16:17:30Z

Crasbe: Divide page into old and new style compressors, added pictures, dimensions and further information, switched some links to new reference format

2024-07-21T13:37:45Z

Divide page into old and new style compressors, added pictures, dimensions and further information, switched some links to new reference format

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	The Outlander PHEV has a CAN bus controller AC compressor. '''One thing to note, your old system components will likely need flushing of the old oil as it's damaging to compressor motor wiring lacquer. It can cause shorts.''' When getting your system refilled, it needs to contain compatible lubricating oil, POE MA68EV is listed in the manual, likely the same as other hybrids/electric cars.		The Outlander PHEV has a CAN bus controller AC compressor.

			==General Remarks on AC Systems==
			[[File:Outlander AC Line Plugs.png\|thumb\|3D Printed Plugs<ref name=":0">3D Printable AC line plugs: https://www.printables.com/model/949837</ref>]]
			'''One thing to note, your old system components will likely need flushing of the old oil as it's damaging to compressor motor wiring lacquer. It can cause shorts.''' When getting your system refilled, it needs to contain compatible lubricating oil, POE MA68EV is listed in the manual, likely the same as other hybrids/electric cars.

			To avoid dirt, debis and moisture entering the AC compressor, you can 3D print some plugs to close off the holes of the AC lines, the files can be accessed on Printables <ref name=":0" />.

			==First Generation (Part Number 7813A378)==

			===Dimension and 3D Scan===
			[[File:Outlander 7813A378 3D Scan.png\|thumb\|3D Scan of the Outlander 7813A378 Compressor<ref name=":1">Outlander AC Compressor 3D scan: https://grabcad.com/library/outlander-phev-ac-compressor-1</ref>]]
			The 3D scan of the Outlander AC compressor is provided by Tomdb on GrabCAD <ref name=":1" />

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			\|Weight
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			\|-
			\|Length
			\|22.5cm
			\|-
			\|Height
			\|24cm (including the HV cable)
			21.5cm (excluding the HV cable)
			\|-
			\|Width
			\|12.5cm (excluding the refrigerant connections)
			\|}
			[[File:Outlander AC Compressor Bolt Pattern.png\|thumb\|Bolt Pattern Drawing<ref name=":2">Outlander Compressor 7813A378 Bolt Pattern: https://www.printables.com/model/949824</ref>]]The bolt pattern of the AC compressor is shown in the drawing on the left. A high resolution drawing as well as some models to aid the design of a custom bracket are available on Printables<ref name=":2" />.<gallery>
			File:Outlander AC Compressor Length.png\|Length
			File:Outlander AC Compressor Height.png\|Height
			File:Outlander AC Compressor Width.png\|Width
			</gallery>

			==Second Generation (Part Number 7813B097)==

			===Dimension and 3D Scan===
			Currently no 3D scan of the newer style AC compressor is available yet.
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	\|19cm		\|19cm
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	\| Height		\|Height
	\|20cm		\|20cm
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	\|Width		\| Width
	\| 12cm		\| 12cm
	\|}		\|}
	~~3D scans are here: https://grabcad.com/library/outlander-phev-ac-compressor-1 this appears to be of an older model than the one in the photos below. The photos are from a 2018 model year vehicle.~~
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	=== Refrigerant Connections ===		<gallery perrow="3" caption="Dimension of the Model Year 2018 Outlander AC Compressor">
			File:Length.jpg\|Length
			File:Height.jpg\|Height
			File:Width.jpg\|Width
			</gallery>
			==Connections==

			===Refrigerant Connections===
	The part numbers for the Mitsubishi hoses are ''AMD45418'', ''AMD46168. Unconfirmed, but thought that these fit'' https://www.evcreate.nl/shop/airconditioning/adapter-set-airconditioning-compressor/		The part numbers for the Mitsubishi hoses are ''AMD45418'', ''AMD46168. Unconfirmed, but thought that these fit'' https://www.evcreate.nl/shop/airconditioning/adapter-set-airconditioning-compressor/
	The correct fitments on Aliexpress		The correct fitments on Aliexpress
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	[[File:Heater Connector Pins.png\|none\|thumb\|1 - 12v, 2 - GND, 3 - CAN H, 4 - CAN L]]		[[File:Heater Connector Pins.png\|none\|thumb\|1 - 12v, 2 - GND, 3 - CAN H, 4 - CAN L]]

	=== High Voltage Connection ===		===High Voltage Connection===
	The compressor is connected with a 40amp fuse to high voltage.		The compressor is connected with a 40amp fuse to high voltage.
	Older models don't have the HV socket as shown above, but have the wire attached. Polarity is the same as the heater.		Older models don't have the HV socket as shown above, but have the wire attached. Polarity is the same as the heater.
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	[[File:20220712 172319.jpg\|none\|thumb\|AC compressor driver board.]]		[[File:20220712 172319.jpg\|none\|thumb\|AC compressor driver board.]]

			==Controlling the Compressor==

	===Control Messages===		===Control Messages===
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	Eighth is also unknown either 0x00 or 0x03 work		Eighth is also unknown either 0x00 or 0x03 work

	====0x388 - Status Message ====		====0x388 - Status Message====
	First byte, 0x01 is HV present. 0x02 is No HV present, 0x7C is startup/running.		First byte, 0x01 is HV present. 0x02 is No HV present, 0x7C is startup/running.

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	Eighth byte status 0x00 is no CAN, 0x01 CAN error, 0x02 is 0x285 receive error and 0x03 other error		Eighth byte status 0x00 is no CAN, 0x01 CAN error, 0x02 is 0x285 receive error and 0x03 other error

	====Example control code ====		====Example control code====
	void sendCANframeE() { //AC compressor		void sendCANframeE() { //AC compressor
	outframe.id = 0x185; // 0x185 0B 00 1D 00 00 08 00 03		outframe.id = 0x185; // 0x185 0B 00 1D 00 00 08 00 03
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	This thread contains more detail information and is recommended reading: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1997&start=25		This thread contains more detail information and is recommended reading: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1997&start=25

			==References==
			<references />
	[[Category:OEM]]		[[Category:OEM]]
	[[Category:Mitsubishi]]		[[Category:Mitsubishi]]
	[[Category:HVAC]]		[[Category:HVAC]]

Zechy: Changed htm to html

2023-07-27T11:19:06Z

Changed htm to html

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	~~<nowiki>~~https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001688953296.~~htm</nowiki>~~ R134 4 curved and R134 5 curved was what I ordered, so 11.5mm and 14mm.		https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001688953296.html R134 4 curved and R134 5 curved was what I ordered, so 11.5mm and 14mm.
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Bigpie: /* Refrigerant Connections */ Adding details for hose connectors on Aliexpress

2022-08-18T11:43:59Z

Refrigerant Connections: Adding details for hose connectors on Aliexpress

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	=== Refrigerant Connections ===		=== Refrigerant Connections ===
	The part numbers for the Mitsubishi hoses are ''AMD45418'', ''AMD46168. Unconfirmed, but thought that these fit'' https://www.evcreate.nl/shop/airconditioning/adapter-set-airconditioning-compressor/		The part numbers for the Mitsubishi hoses are ''AMD45418'', ''AMD46168. Unconfirmed, but thought that these fit'' https://www.evcreate.nl/shop/airconditioning/adapter-set-airconditioning-compressor/
			The correct fitments on Aliexpress
			[[File:20220818 123558.jpg\|none\|thumb\|Outlander compressor hose connections]]


			<nowiki>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001688953296.htm</nowiki> R134 4 curved and R134 5 curved was what I ordered, so 11.5mm and 14mm.
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Bigpie: /* High Voltage Connection */ Adding high voltage connection information.

2022-07-12T19:47:00Z

High Voltage Connection: Adding high voltage connection information.

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	=== High Voltage Connection ===		=== High Voltage Connection ===
	The compressor is connected with a 40amp fuse to high voltage.		The compressor is connected with a 40amp fuse to high voltage.
			Older models don't have the HV socket as shown above, but have the wire attached. Polarity is the same as the heater.
			[[File:Outlander Heater HV.jpg\|none\|thumb]]

	=== Control Messages ===		Newer models have a socket. [Place holder for part number]
			[[File:20220712 131123.jpg\|none\|thumb\|HV connector. Left is negative, right positive.]]
			[[File:20220712 172319.jpg\|none\|thumb\|AC compressor driver board.]]


			===Control Messages===
	0x185 controls the compressor and 0x285 is also required for operation, much like other outlander components. It broadcasts a few ids, 0x388 seems to be useful and contains it's status.		0x185 controls the compressor and 0x285 is also required for operation, much like other outlander components. It broadcasts a few ids, 0x388 seems to be useful and contains it's status.

	==== 0x185 - Control Message ====		====0x185 - Control Message====
	The first byte, byte 0 controls the state of the compressor 0x08 is standby and 0x0B is start command		The first byte, byte 0 controls the state of the compressor 0x08 is standby and 0x0B is start command

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	Eighth is also unknown either 0x00 or 0x03 work		Eighth is also unknown either 0x00 or 0x03 work

	==== 0x388 - Status Message ====		====0x388 - Status Message ====
	First byte, 0x01 is HV present. 0x02 is No HV present, 0x7C is startup/running.		First byte, 0x01 is HV present. 0x02 is No HV present, 0x7C is startup/running.

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	Eighth byte status 0x00 is no CAN, 0x01 CAN error, 0x02 is 0x285 receive error and 0x03 other error		Eighth byte status 0x00 is no CAN, 0x01 CAN error, 0x02 is 0x285 receive error and 0x03 other error

	==== Example control code ====		====Example control code ====
	void sendCANframeE() { //AC compressor		void sendCANframeE() { //AC compressor
	outframe.id = 0x185; // 0x185 0B 00 1D 00 00 08 00 03		outframe.id = 0x185; // 0x185 0B 00 1D 00 00 08 00 03

Bigpie: Adding the information that the photos in the wiki are of a 2018 model, where as the thread and 3D are of an older model

2022-07-12T13:07:55Z

Adding the information that the photos in the wiki are of a 2018 model, where as the thread and 3D are of an older model

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	3D scans are here: https://grabcad.com/library/outlander-phev-ac-compressor-1		3D scans are here: https://grabcad.com/library/outlander-phev-ac-compressor-1 this appears to be of an older model than the one in the photos below. The photos are from a 2018 model year vehicle.
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Bigpie: Adding can bus messages.

2022-07-12T12:57:51Z

Adding can bus messages.

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 [[Category:OEM]]
 [[Category:Mitsubishi]]
 [[Category:HVAC]]

Bigpie: Adding details for the refrigerant connections and links to 3D scans.

2022-07-12T12:10:49Z

Adding details for the refrigerant connections and links to 3D scans.

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			=== Refrigerant Connections ===
			The part numbers for the Mitsubishi hoses are ''AMD45418'', ''AMD46168. Unconfirmed, but thought that these fit'' https://www.evcreate.nl/shop/airconditioning/adapter-set-airconditioning-compressor/
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Bigpie: Adding dimensions and weight, along with photos of the dimensions

2022-07-12T12:03:40Z

Adding dimensions and weight, along with photos of the dimensions

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	The Outlander PHEV has a CAN bus controller AC compressor.		The Outlander PHEV has a CAN bus controller AC compressor. '''One thing to note, your old system components will likely need flushing of the old oil as it's damaging to compressor motor wiring lacquer. It can cause shorts.''' When getting your system refilled, it needs to contain compatible lubricating oil, POE MA68EV is listed in the manual, likely the same as other hybrids/electric cars.
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	~~[[File:Outlander AC Compressor.jpg\|none\|thumb]]~~

	=== Low Voltage Connection ===		===Low Voltage Connection===
	The mating connector is Sumitomo 6189-0126 <nowiki>https://www.auto-click.co.uk/6189-0126?search=90980-10942</nowiki> and the pinout is the same as the water heater. Connector also available cheap on aliexpress.		The mating connector is Sumitomo 6189-0126 <nowiki>https://www.auto-click.co.uk/6189-0126?search=90980-10942</nowiki> and the pinout is the same as the water heater. Connector also available cheap on aliexpress.
	[[File:Heater Connector Pins.png\|none\|thumb\|1 - 12v, 2 - GND, 3 - CAN H, 4 - CAN L]]		[[File:Heater Connector Pins.png\|none\|thumb\|1 - 12v, 2 - GND, 3 - CAN H, 4 - CAN L]]

			[[Category:OEM]]
	[[Category:OEM]] [[Category:Mitsubishi]] [[Category:HVAC]]		[[Category:Mitsubishi]]
			[[Category:HVAC]]

Bigpie: /* Low Voltage Connection */

2022-07-12T11:47:29Z

Low Voltage Connection

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	=== Low Voltage Connection ===		=== Low Voltage Connection ===
	The mating connector ~~looks to be~~ Sumitomo 6189-0126 <nowiki>https://www.auto-click.co.uk/6189-0126?search=90980-10942</nowiki>		The mating connector is Sumitomo 6189-0126 <nowiki>https://www.auto-click.co.uk/6189-0126?search=90980-10942</nowiki> and the pinout is the same as the water heater. Connector also available cheap on aliexpress.
			[[File:Heater Connector Pins.png\|none\|thumb\|1 - 12v, 2 - GND, 3 - CAN H, 4 - CAN L]]


	[[Category:OEM]] [[Category:Mitsubishi]] [[Category:HVAC]]		[[Category:OEM]] [[Category:Mitsubishi]] [[Category:HVAC]]

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	==References==		==References==
	<references />		<references />
	~~[[Category:OEM]]~~		[[Category:Mitsubishi]]
	[[Category:Mitsubishi]]		[[Category:AC Compressor]]
	[[Category:~~HVAC~~]]