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Pictures Inside AC Forklift Controller (Danaher)

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 12:04 pm
by MattsAwesomeStuff
Just for anyone's curiosity, I have no goal or need for this. I took pics and figured I'd share.

I saved the controllers for the traction and pump motors, from the forklift I yanked my AC motor from (a Hyster 50, I think, super common).

They are proprietary, and Danaher would not give me documentation on them.

The way their licensing is set up, they create some kind of generic controller for all the different manufacturers, and then the manufacturers do the last mile of design, all the CAN communication, etc. That way they get to keep their trade secrets on how they are controlled. The license to do this is tens of thousands of dollars, and is proprietary to each manufacturer. So the guy was very kind, and very helpful, but could not give me any info, he didn't even have it to give. He also said he's never heard of anyone being able to reverse engineer them, except a foreign military that used them as their air filtration motor controllers in tanks, though he didn't say which.

Specifically: Danaher AC Superdrive ACS4820-700c (rev5) and an ACS4815-525c (rev19).

On the forklift:

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Inside the case:

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Underneath the control board (just 4 identical boards, with what looks like paralleled header pins, the smaller controller was the same but with 3 boards):

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Decorative Silicon Ballet:

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Capacitors:

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The reason I took them apart is because I wanted the 22mm aluminum plates they were mounted to, to mount my motor and transmission together :p . They're otherwise garbage to me. Though I'd save the caps.

I wish I'd been able to remove the heatsink on the forklift that these aluminum slabs bolted to. It was at least an inch thick, probably 24"x36", with a few crude fins cast into it and some fans to help cool it.

Then that was bolted to a 1" thick steel plate wall between it and the forklift battery.

So if anyone's ever wondered what's inside an AC forklift controller, there you go, that's what's inside. If anyone is extra curious, I still have the parts, let me know and I'll take better pics.

Re: Pictures Inside AC Forklift Controller (Danaher)

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 4:36 pm
by Isaac96
It looks like those are MOSFETs so they are easily paralleled. I found a datasheet: https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/HUF75645S3S-D.PDF
100V, 75A. I presume a 48v system?

Re: Pictures Inside AC Forklift Controller (Danaher)

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 5:00 pm
by xp677
Nice design. Looks like each of the 4 boards is used as a 3ph inverter, and they just stack as many boards as needed to match the rating of the motor. Likely all controlled as one, via the PCB busses on top.

Where are you based? While the controller may be locked down, that does look like a simple board, should be straightforward to reverse engineer.

I'm not sure how common these controllers are, but if they are widely available and well priced, it may be worth looking into?

It makes sense to use MOSFETs over IGBTs for lower voltage applications such as this.

Re: Pictures Inside AC Forklift Controller (Danaher)

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:39 pm
by MattsAwesomeStuff
Isaac96 wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 4:36 pm100V, 75A. I presume a 48v system?
Yeah, it was 36v or 48v on the forklift.

75A eh? There's 96 of them on this board, 72 of them on the pump controller.

That's 7200 amps and 5400 amps respectively.
xp677 wrote:Where are you based? While the controller may be locked down, that does look like a simple board, should be straightforward to reverse engineer. I'm not sure how common these controllers are, but if they are widely available and well priced, it may be worth looking into?
Western Canada.

Even when I am, junk AC forklifts seem pretty uncommon compared to DC.

Hyster 50 forklifts are like the Honda Civics of the forklift world, but I have no idea how common the Danaher controller is on them. I think they might be obsolete too.

It's hard for me to say what they cost, as I don't pay anything for my forklift stuff, the local yard just lets me take whatever I want. New, I bet they'd be over $10k so that's out.

I doubt it's worth anyone's time to reverse engineer. I myself am going with a Prius Gen 2 inverter. I certainly wouldn't know where to begin even designing a driver for the boards.

Though I wonder if it would be worthwhile to hold onto for some other non-EV project in the future.

Re: Pictures Inside AC Forklift Controller (Danaher)

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 11:27 pm
by xp677
I'd hold onto it! I was gonna say, if you're in/around the UK, I'd be happy to look at reverse engineering it. But form what you've said, it doesn't seem worthwhile.