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Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:25 pm
by Boxster EV
Hello All,
Whilst driving a few days ago, my large drive unit massively derated all of a sudden despite a full battery.
Upon power cycling and checking the spot values, the main contactor would not close because the last error was UDC below UDCSW. It was showing <200vdc. Got the car home and ran a few checks including reloading the sine firmware, but the issue remains. I also checked that I was getting 390vdc on the Tesla busbars, but still UDC reported at <200vdc (speradically, sometimes 160 another nearer 200).
Any educated guesses whether this could be a voltage sense issue on the open inverter logic board, or alternatively, could the issue point towards an inverter problem?
The car still drives, although all the firmware calculations are seemingly thrown off by the voltage discrepancy.
Either way I’m resigned to removing the LDU from the car, but in the meantime would appreciate anyone’s wisdom.
Other info: car has done about 30k miles in past five years with this v4b logic board.
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 4:24 pm
by johu
Just a guess really: sounds like moisture either on the Vsense electronics or the connector or the logic board
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:47 pm
by P.S.Mangelsdorf
No idea why it would drop while driving like that.
I did look at your params, and you are running different udcgain and udcofs than I am. Obviously, if those are working for you, great, but its probably worth checking them against prior parameter sets of yours, just in case something was inadvertently changed.
Yours
"udcgain": 7.5,
"udcofs": 0,
Mine
"udcgain": 7,
"udcofs": 154,
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:32 am
by johu
Does the voltage drop (close) to 0 when not allowing HV into the inverter?
186V sounds suspiciously like the floating value when Vsense is not connected to the OI board
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:41 am
by Boxster EV
johu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:32 am
Does the voltage drop (close) to 0 when not allowing HV into the inverter?
186V sounds suspiciously like the floating value when Vsense is not connected to the OI board
I will check this evening. Thank you.
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:20 pm
by Boxster EV
Here’s the reading with HV:
Here’s the reading without HV:
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:57 pm
by johu
ah, that's with Mangelsdorf config then?
So the Vsense is still connected to the logic board then. Like said this could point to a moisture problem.
You could mitigate for now by setting udcgain in a way that the reading is kindof sane. Set udcofs=0 again. Set udclim to 1000V to prevent the inverter faulting out should the reading return to normal.
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:07 am
by Boxster EV
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 8:31 pm
by Boxster EV
The car became more and more horrible to drive this week so I pulled the motor out. Whilst the inverter was completely dry, looks like I have some remnants of a previous leak from (3 years ago).
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:12 pm
by Boxster EV
To conclude this thread, I found the issue to be on the Tesla PCB that attaches to the main busbars. I think it manages the capacitors for the voltage sense aspect.
Having inspected this, I found that the board had burned out:
I managed to source a replacement from Ukraine part number 6009072-00-A for just £70. Interestingly Tesla seem to have updated the design and placed a plastic housing over the blue components. Anyway, I fitted it and put everything back in the car and it’s working perfectly again.
Re: Tesla LDU and incorrect UDC reading problem
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:28 pm
by P.S.Mangelsdorf
Boxster EV wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:12 pm
Interestingly Tesla seem to have updated the design and placed a plastic housing over the blue components.
This is one part I have seen very clear revisions on across the 3 LDUs I've taken apart now. On one of them, the board was remote - attached on top of a gate driver, with just two wires feeding off the back of the bus bars.