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Hello.
Maybe experts could comment on if I can pass legalization of EV build in Germany if i am not a Germany citizen?
I have difficulties with local institutions and looks like i will not be able to do that in Lithuania. Local EMC testing is no longer available.
Can somebody show the documents that state about donor car production date and how it helps in the legalization?
I want to finish building my Audi A2, but it is from 2003. Maybe i will need to look for older one?

arber333 did it, because he had the same issues with local authorities: viewtopic.php?p=15631#p15631

But make sure to ask your local authorities beforehand whether or not they will accept the German TÜV report.

In the wiki we have a list which describes what we have to do to get our EV cars legal. Have a look here: https://openinverter.org/wiki/Category:Legalities

What do you guys think about a documentation where we can find locations for technical acceptance for getting converted cars legal? Not every TÜV station is able to do that. Based on GDPR it's not allowed to post the name of the guy who is responsible for that. But I think it makes things easier for us to have locations for getting legality.
My idea is to add these information in the wiki where we have the legalities stuff.

Or do we have a documentation for that which I didn't find?

Yes that is a good idea. Just the name and address of the station

There is also the other TÜV thread: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4081. Maybe put all into one thread?

I don't have the rights. So I'm not able to extend the wiki.
If it's possible to give them to me I would enter my TÜV contact and the contacts of the thread uhi22 mentioned

I think the idea would be great.
While watching a video of the legality of conversion by Classic Electric Cars I had to point out to a commenter that claimed it was not possible/legal in Germany that is IS legal if a bit bureaucratic and I suggested s/he come here.

Merged the two topics.

bewo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:41 pm I don't have the rights. So I'm not able to extend the wiki.

Just log in with your forum password

Thanks, added the locations to get EV conversions road legal in Germany

@chentron
in Germany looking for:
https://kudaschov.de/de/emv-2
he will make the EMV so you can pass the TÜV

Does anyone recently had success to pass TÜV with his conversion? I'm planning a conversion, but had no luck with several TÜV stations. My local station wants EMV certificates, even for Leaf-components, no matter which registration date the car has. TÜV Pfarrkirchen requires EMV if car is newer than 88 accourding to Heiko Fleck, TÜV Göttingen wants EMV from 2001 on, also no matter what components are used.
The price for the EMV certificate from Kudaschov is ok, but I doubt the certificate will be accepted by many TÜV agents. They only measure emitted radiation, but the EMV guidelines demand much more as far as I know, like resistance of the car to irridation.

there are 3 TUV in gottingen... did you check the one in dieselstrabe ?

The last time I went was with Audi A2. But that was first registered in 2001 so before that threshold date.
Anyway, Touran is from 2004 and back then I emailed Klaus Baumeister of TÜV Nord (unfortunately he is retired now)

...
Nun möchte ich wieder einen Umbau machen, diesmal jedoch mit Serienkomponenten aus einem Nissan Leaf. D.h. Akkus, Motor und Elektronik werden übernommen Erleichtert dieses Vorgehen die Einzelabnahme? Oder genauer, muss ein so umgebautes Fahrzeug nochmal komplett auf EMV geprüft werden?

and he replied

Guten Tag Herr Hübner,

wenn nachweislich alle Komponenten übernommen werden, sind weitere praktische Prüfungen nicht erfoderlich.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Hannover

i.A.
Klaus W. Baumeister

I told this to Mr. Siebold who said he will accept this email next time I do a post-2002 car

Yes, I was in contact with Dieselstr., but as you can send emails only via central email adress of TÜV Nord, they forwarded it to Mr. Lechte.
I'm not sure if something changed, as Heiko Fleck told me they where able to get it passed till 4 month ago. But I can't find any newer VdTÜV Leaflet.

I wonder where 1988 comes from. The RL 72/245/EWG is valid from 72 and was changed in 1995 by the RL 95/54/EG. From then on, it applies not only to vehicles with spark ignition, but to all vehicles.

Sometimes numbers are randomly generated for the answers, I guess. Göttingen also told me from 2001 on I'ld need the EMV certificate, even though the VdTÜV states October 2002 for that. And somewhere I read that the "Funkentstörung" is necessary for cars from 89 on. Who knows... as there is no competition possible for road legalization, they can create their own rules and you can sue if you want to. But maybe then its cheaper, quicker and more successful to simply get those measurements and certificates they want.
As long as its not a new directive from the management, there's at least a chance to find someone realistic. If it is, we're screwed.

Hello,
what is the cost of passing all tests required by TUV in Germany?
I live in Czechia and when I asked TUV Czech what it would cost to get a roadworthy vehicle they quoted at least 3500€ to test EMC, electric safety, brakes, and steering. And if they find something more to test, it will get even more expensive.
This price looks totally ridiculous to me. I know what industry equipment testing costs and it is a fraction of these numbers.

TÜV Süd told me EMC 10kEUR, regen testing 8kEUR, and then stopped as we both agreed that these numbers are out of discussion. 3,5kEUR would be a bargain

gnampf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 9:35 am TÜV Süd told me EMC 10kEUR, regen testing 8kEUR, and then stopped as we both agreed that these numbers are out of discussion. 3,5kEUR would be a bargain

That seems like they just do not want to do so. And instead of saying no they just give you a ludicrous price.

I find this
viewtopic.php?p=57957#p57957
johu said it was just TÜV: 635€ which is way nicer.

he didn't need any EMC, regen test etc. But it seems as now no TÜV station is willing to do the approval without those certificates any longer.
And those certifications are that expensive, as they are usually just done by OEMs etc. which are going to mass production.
And of course, the TÜV guy could also say "hey, each component was certified by the manufacturer in the original car, so why should it not be ok in another car"... thats what they did with Johannes' cars, but I (and also some others) had no luck in finding a TÜV guy that still is willing to do this.

That is pretty fu**** up.
I wonder if it can be solved in Poland as they seem pretty benevolent with many weird stuff.
//edit: Or some local University might be helpful at least with those EMC related stuff as they tend to provide measurement services.

gnampf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 9:35 am TÜV Süd told me EMC 10kEUR, regen testing 8kEUR, and then stopped as we both agreed that these numbers are out of discussion. 3,5kEUR would be a bargain

what is this regen testing for 8kEUR ?

I don't think he knew that himself, as all he told me was what he was told from Munich. I guess something like checking if regen will cutoff if ABS gets active, checking if brake lights will be activated if regen is breaking with certain force, etc. But he knew that this anyway isn't an option, so who cares about the details... Even if this weren't necessary, the price for the EMC alone ist far to high to concider a conversion, and it was mandatory no matter how old the car is. Sure, the VdTÜV leaflet tells you different things, but he wasn't interested in that...

Sounds like you have to find someone else who cares...